2012-06-15
hyperpape
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I just recently started my first championship, for slither. Out of ten players in my group, 4 never played a single move. Is this the norm, or might it be more of a problem because slither is such a new game?
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2012-06-15
YHW
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That depends on the league in which you are playing. Normally, the people in higher leagues are (more) active, while (new) players in lowest leagues are often just want to try this page – they are signing up quickly for all new tournaments and when the games are starting they are often gone forever...LG is nothing for impatient people.
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2012-06-18
hyperpape
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I figured it would only be for the lowest league. If it’s not too difficult to implement, it might be good to make first time championship entrants confirm their entry shortly before the championship starts.
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2012-06-18
FatPhil
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You can’t wait for replies, so it’s not really a matter of confirmation. As most are repeated offenders, it would be easier to simply remove anyone who times out from a championship game, and send them a message that that’s happened.
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2012-06-18
Christian K ★
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In my expirence it is not the norm.
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2012-06-18
FatPhil
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Yet you saw it in your most recent Four in a Row and Einstein leagues. I’m tempted to say that the vast majority of bottom-division leagues I’ve played in, I’ve seen at least one game time out with no moves from the opponent.
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2012-06-19
Hjallti
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I am in favour for a rule that a player who times out is removed automatically from the tournament (maintaining his right to resubmit), it should solve that problem. By the way if your rating in a game is good enough, you don’t have to start in the bottom league.
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2012-06-19
hyperpape
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Why can’t you wait for replies?
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2012-06-19
Christian K ★
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Hmm I guess you are right. Maybe I a just not that bothered by it. Possible because the games in which i am in a low rated league are also those that i do not care that much about,
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2012-06-19
FatPhil
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You probably didn’t notice just one. Sometimes there are 4 or 5 – that you will notice, I guarantee!
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2012-06-20
Hjallti
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I do not like the confirmation idea. It would mean that I choose to enter the oski championship now, and it happens to start in July just after (or in the end of) a period of holidays I would loose my spot, while not at all being in time-pressure whatsoever for any other reason.
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2012-06-21
MRFvR
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I think the idea is only to confirm players who time-outed in the previous championship, isn’t it?
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2012-06-21
MRFvR
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But I’m also ok with a rule such as timing out in a championship implies in suspension in next
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2012-06-21
YHW
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Why not define minimum requirements to get acces to a championship in general? I mean, the name of the tournament is ‘championship’ and any basic requirement should be given to get entrance.
I would suggest that each player should have a minimum number of points that is only one point higher than the starting points (1500).
So, the player has demonstrated that he’s able to finish (the most) games in general and/or that he’s a bit stronger than absolute beginners. Such a requirement cannot avoid that an experienced player suddenly stops playing – in this case a confirmation would be a good idea – but it could prevent to play with the usual suspects (which would surely resubmit a tournament after a time-out), which are not even able to finish only the half of their games for years. There are players like Gerald who ‘timed-out’ all EWN games of his last tournament, of the championship before, of the tournamnent before...he has more than 400 time-outs (of 563 games), but now he’s waiting again for games of the ‘monthly cup’ which he will most likely also not play until the regular end. He’s still registered for the championship, although ne never finshed a game in the last six years...
This is something that annoys me and I do not understand, and Gerald is not the only one...but all of these players are having an extreme low number of points. So a minimum point limit could detect players who are obviously not able to complete their games.
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2012-06-25
Christian K ★
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I disagree with the point limit. I play seriously in games in which is have low ranking. It is fun to be able to fight with others on your level (in monthly cup, a lot of good players always play). And even if you don’t win the entire thing, it can be a lot of fun to move from leauge 4 to 3 for example.
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2012-06-25
Hjallti
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I disagree as well with the rating limit. It is the only tournament in Go where I can play on my own level but YHW doens’t want me... Moreover as a higher rating means that you are introduced in the championship in another than the bottom league, it doesn’t influence the high players anyways.
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2012-06-25
hyperpape
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The idea of a point limit was to prevent players who have frequent timeouts from competing in a championship. It would be just as easy to do that directly. One simple idea might be to simply make participation in the tournament contingent upon having signed into to little golem in the past month (or maybe it should be made a move?). That would have eliminated three of the four timeouts I experienced. I think this is a case where you can’t wish for a perfect system, only one that handles some of the problem.
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2012-06-25
mungo
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I don’t think it is a big problem. Just wait until they have timed-out and next time you will probably be in a higher league since you won against a lot of players timing out. The players who stop playing will end up in the lowest leagues. They wont delay the tournament since games played last longer then it takes to time out. If you time-out all games in two consecutive championships maybe it would be ok to be automatically removed from the next championship. But even then, why bother?
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2012-06-25
FatPhil
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If you were booted out of the next championship immediately you time out of a game in the current championship, and sent a message telling you about this, then the next time you log in you could reregister as you read your messages. If you didn’t log in in time, tough titty, if you did, but you didn’t read all your messages, tough titty. The needs of the many should outweigh the whines of the slow. Rating shouldn’t have anything to do with it. I’m just as annoyed by top players who disappear and then slowly drop down from league to league over the years, timing out in every one as I am by the newbs with no stamina or patience. If anything, those who’ve worked their way up should know better.
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2012-12-08
hyperpape
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Well, Slither Championship #3 proves that there’s no hope. Two players in the top league timed out of all their games, even though they last logged in after the games had started.
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