Second monster, respond before September 1st. General forum
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Hjallti at 20070814
Will you participate in the monster using the following setup?
In this tournament everyone plays everyone (in the same round robin) in all games, both colors! Everyone can join!
I started an inquiry for the second monster some time ago.
22 players listed below are at this moment indicating to participate but everyone can.
Some of them also answered some questions regarding the setup.
The main question seems to me:
Will you participate in the monster using the following setup?
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3 rounds where the 7 playing finalists (and maybe also the 8th) are playing the second round automatically (get a 'bye' for the first) and the defending Monster even automatically the final.
1st round: 4x a round robin
3nd round: 3x 5player round robin (7 finalist Monster1 + 4 times top2)
final with 7 (Monster + 3 times top2)
(((If we end up with 30 players and 6 former finalists and the monster (ff's) this would create:
4x a 6 players round robin
from which we get 8 top2 players + a lucky looser (highest % and not in top2)
Together with 6 ff's we get 15 players in the second round:
3x a 5 player round robin )))
1x a 7 player final.
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Determinantion of the line up (draws/pairings) for each round robin:
a ranking is made with all elopoints of the featured games.
The top4 players are put in different rounds, the next 4 as well, and so on and according to the next two principle (in order of dominance)
1. No two players paired in the first round of the first monster are paired again.
2. the sum of the places in the ranking is almost equal in each round (meaning that 18916, 271015, 361114, 451213 is likely if it satisfies the first condition)
Rules for each round robin:
Every player plays every other in each game (except Empathy) with each color.
The result of each game counts for points as follows:
a win in go is 4, a draw 2 a loss 0
a win in reversi of hex is 6 a draw 3 a loss 0
a win in other games is 12; a draw 6 a loss 0
in streetsoccer a game in extra time (move 53 is played) is considered a draw for the monster tournament.
The order is made based on these points, and in case of tie on the SON (as usual).
The best two players of a round robin continue the next round.
Each round start in 3 parts, some 3 weeks apart. Which games to start will be announced in proper time, but the order will be that of the final of the first monster.
Other questions to be answered before we can start:
muiek and/or ypercube, are you willing to make another monster summary page like the one for the previous monster?
In this list stars indicate the player is a former finalist. The Monster is not yet decided.
01. Hjallti
02. klaashaas ***********
03. kpato
04. Paavo Pirinen
05. Looser
06. Luna
07. Tray Dedrickson
08. Smaughster
09. Nagy Fathy
10. miuek ***********
11. mi_stilekhrix
12. Marius Halsor ***********
13. duvelman
14. osucowboys
15. Henrik Sjol
16. Huw Rees
17. Eduard ***********
18. Ray Garrison ***********
19. Nevermind
20. Robin ***********
21. lovebaby
22. ypercube ***********

Hjallti at 20070814
01. Hjallti
02. klaashaas ***********
03. kpato
04. Paavo Pirinen
05. Looser
06. Luna
07. Tray Dedrickson
08. Nagy Fathy
09. miuek ***********
10. mi_stilekhrix
11. Marius Halsor ***********
12. duvelman
13. osucowboys
14. Henrik Sjol
15. Huw Rees
16. Eduard ***********
17. Ray Garrison ***********
18. Nevermind
19. Robin ***********
20. lovebaby
21. ypercube ***********

Mojmir Hanes ★ at 20070814
Hi,
I can make stuff with results as in 1st Monster (summary page, retrieving results, eg). I would appreciate, if someone (ypercube and/or Hjallti or …? ) would make pairings for each round and retrieve game numbers for each round.

Huw Rees at 20070816
i think i am going to withdraw. in reality i do not have the time to devote to
coping with a whole bunch of strange new games. already i am closing down on the games i cant really play, to devote more time to those where i see some improvement. i think to have to play 2 games of each type, just because of the colours, when most games seem to have a system to equalize first move advantage, is ridiculous. it is this that makes me realize that i am not up for this level of commitment here

Hjallti at 20070817
01. Hjallti
02. klaashaas ***********
03. kpato
04. Paavo Pirinen
05. Looser
06. Luna
07. Tray Dedrickson
08. Nagy Fathy
09. miuek ***********
10. mi_stilekhrix
11. Marius Halsor ***********
12. duvelman
13. osucowboys
14. Henrik Sjol
15. alain
16. Eduard ***********
17. Ray Garrison ***********
18. Nevermind
19. Robin ***********
20. lovebaby
21. ypercube ***********

p_a_k_o at 20070820
I'm in too. Al last 'go','hex' and 'reversi' players won't have so big advantage :)

ypercube ★ at 20070821
Ray is not a go nor a hex nor a reversi player and he has almost won the 1st Monster tournament :)
Marius (a hex player) will probably be 2nd.
Me (ypercube, which started as a hex player) is surely 3rd.
miuek (very good go player which is also excellent in Amazons and Breakthrough and other games) will be 4th.
Robin and klaashaas (Reversi players) will probably take 5th and 6th positions (or maybe 4th and 6th).
Eduard (a go player) took 7th.
That makes Ray and miuek (two players with their best playing skills not in go, not in hex and not in reversi) at places 1 and 4 of the first Monster tournament.
Perhaps you'll say that the go and hex and reversi players had a good advantage to pass to the final round. But there were a few very good at go and hex and reversi players that played at the preliminary round and these skills were not enough (passenger at hex, Andy at go, Smaughster and Dom at reversi).

KPT at 20070825
01. Hjallti
02. klaashaas ***********
03. kpato
04. Paavo Pirinen
05. Looser
06. Luna
07. Tray Dedrickson
08. Nagy Fathy
09. miuek ***********
10. mi_stilekhrix
11. Marius Halsor ***********
12. duvelman
13. osucowboys
14. Henrik Sjol
15. alain
16. Eduard ***********
17. Ray Garrison ***********
18. Nevermind
19. Robin ***********
20. lovebaby
21. ypercube ***********
22. xox
23. p_a_k_o
24. special

ypercube ★ at 20070831
These are not leagues.
Names are just separated into groups of 5, so they can be visibly nicer :)

Gregorlo at 20070831
01. Hjallti
02. klaashaas ***********
03. kpato
04. Paavo Pirinen
05. Looser
06. Luna
07. Tray Dedrickson
08. Nagy Fathy
09. miuek ***********
10. mi_stilekhrix
11. Marius Halsor ***********
12. duvelman
13. osucowboys
14. Henrik Sjol
15. alain
16. Eduard ***********
17. Ray Garrison ***********
18. Nevermind
19. Robin ***********
20. lovebaby
21. ypercube ***********
22. xox
23. p_a_k_o
24. special
25. Gregorio

ypercube ★ at 20070903
01. Hjallti
02. klaashaas ***********
03. kpato
04. Paavo Pirinen
05. Looser
06. Luna
07. Tray Dedrickson
08. Nagy Fathy
09. miuek ***********
10. mi_stilekhrix
11. Marius Halsor ***********
12. duvelman
13. osucowboys
14. Henrik Sjol
15. alain
16. Eduard ***********
17. Ray Garrison ***********
18. Nevermind
19. Robin ***********
20. lovebaby
21. ypercube ***********
22. xox
23. p_a_k_o
24. special
25. Gregorio
26. Patrick Moore
It's OK, you don't need to do anything more. Posting here is enough, Gregorio was just teasing you.

Gregorlo at 20070903
i'm sorry, it was late and i was tired. I apologize.
Just posting here you want to enter is the way to register. So you already in when i posted ;)

Special at 20070903
hehehe i'm preparing for this tournament
kpato explain me how works this tournament

Gregorlo at 20070904
basicamente es un todos contra todos (separados por grupos) para TODOS los juegos, dos partidos por juego (uno con cada color)…
y luego hay una final y todo eso… :)

KPT at 20070904
si kcho todo eso
pero pq han hablado tanto de las rondas?
weno..yo cumplire con mandar mis invitaciones

Hjallti at 20070907
So 27 players: 20 in the first round than I guess.
I have not that much time at hand at the moment (New working year started with an unexpected shift in the tasks I have to perform (=classes I have to teach))
I hope this is right:
01. Hjallti
02. klaashaas ***********
03. kpato
04. Paavo Pirinen
05. Looser
06. Luna
07. Tray Dedrickson
08. Nagy Fathy
09. miuek ***********
10. mi_stilekhrix
11. Marius Halsor ***********
12. duvelman
13. osucowboys
14. Henrik Sjol
15. alain
16. Eduard ***********
17. Ray Garrison ***********
18. Nevermind
19. Robin ***********
20. lovebaby
21. ypercube ***********
22. xox
23. p_a_k_o
24. special
25. Gregorio
26. Patrick Moore
27. Jonas
This gives 20 players in the first round.
1. Hjallti
2. kpato
3. Paavo Pirinen
4. Looser
5. Luna
6. Tray Dedrickson
7. Nagy Fathy
8. mi_stilekhrix
9. duvelman
10. osucowboys
11. Henrik Sjol
12. alain
13. Nevermind
14. lovebaby
15. xox
16. p_a_k_o
17. special
18. Gregorio
19. Patrick Moore
20. Jonas
The two next things to do are
1. Rank the players according to the rating
2. Set up a time schedule for the starting of round 1 in 3 bags of games.
Feel free to do so. If I have more time (read not before next friday) I will do myself if it is not done before.

duvelman at 20070907
Hi,
I'm sorry. I was very enthousisatic about this, but I now realize (partly due to some change in plans) that I will not have the time to participate in this.
So, I will not be joining but good luck to everyone.

Michal Piszczalka(piszczyk) at 20070930
01. Hjallti
02. klaashaas ***********
03. kpato
04. Paavo Pirinen
05. Looser
06. Luna
07. Tray Dedrickson
08. Nagy Fathy
09. miuek ***********
10. mi_stilekhrix
11. Marius Halsor ***********
12. duvelman
13. osucowboys
14. Henrik Sjol
15. alain
16. Eduard ***********
17. Ray Garrison ***********
18. Nevermind
19. Robin ***********
20. lovebaby
21. ypercube ***********
22. xox
23. p_a_k_o
24. special
25. Gregorio
26. Patrick Moore
27. Jonas
28. Michal Piszczalka(piszczyk)
This gives 21 players in the first round.
1. Hjallti
2. kpato
3. Paavo Pirinen
4. Looser
5. Luna
6. Tray Dedrickson
7. Nagy Fathy
8. mi_stilekhrix
9. duvelman
10. osucowboys
11. Henrik Sjol
12. alain
13. Nevermind
14. lovebaby
15. xox
16. p_a_k_o
17. special
18. Gregorio
19. Patrick Moore
20. Jonas
21. Michal Piszczalka(piszczyk)
I waited to the last moment ;D maybe not last but it's close to end ;)

Michal Piszczalka(piszczyk) at 20071001
But I resigned then, I shouldn't skip 1st round ;) And I don't want to ;)
Count me as a new guy :D

Bernhard Herwig at 20071026
If it is still time to join in: I would like to. (And I answered well before september 1st, 2008)

Hjallti at 20071029
Sorry, I had unexpected complications in both profesional as private real life and I will not be able to spent time in both organizing as playing in the second monster. So I am out. I apologize for this, and I hope someone picks up the tournament and it continues. But if it does it will be without me.
I guess if someone takes over they should as ask by message everyone on the list if they are still in, and ask in a new topic if others as well want to play. But it is up to whoever finds time to do it, to do it.

Ray Garrison ★ at 20071110
I am volunteering to organize/direct the second monster championship. I am starting two new forums. The first is labeled “Second Monster Tournament Format”. In that forum I have laid out the proposed procedures/format of the tournament. Please discuss all procedural issues in that forum. It is my goal to finalize the procedural issues no later than November 30, 2007. The second forum I am starting is labeled “Second Monster official registration”. Anyone who wants to register for the tournament must add there name to the registration list in that forum. Because of the lag in time getting this tournament off the ground, I would to start registration all over from scratch. So if you want to play in the second monster, you MUST officially register in the forum with the heading “Second Monster official registration”
The deadline to register is December 7, 2007.