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Reply to this topic Return to forumI've just discovered this game, but I really like it. I've also been playing a lot of Backgammon. I'm looking for other good strategic but randomized perfect-information games, and also wanted to query how people would feel having more on LG. (My opinion: seeing that this game looks quite popular here, why not?)
As someone who is purely into combinatorial games, I personally hope that they add more non-luck-based games, but I do observe that it’s these sorts of games and word games that are most popular.
There’s also StreetSoccer that works on a similar concept, but the strategy escapes me for this one. People do seem to play this a lot too though, so it can also probably be played to quite a high level.
IMHO, mid-game chance elements make for easier playing games here: if I can be burned by luck of the draw, I'm not quite as concerned about the interplay between move optimization and probability. Not saying it's good or bad, just a lot less brain-burning for me.
Personally, I like seeing combinatorial games with random setups, which Richard has implemented quite a few of (Catchup, DVONN, Go), sometimes skipping the early-game entirely. Imagine Catan with a trackable dice deck and modified trading.
Richard, Oceans 11 looks very interesting (especially with no wild cards, or 54 cards with the Joker). Please implement it right after you do the standard rules for Lyngk! ;)
I think a common difficulty with abstracts is that their openings can feel very slow and opaque to less-skilled players, so I tend to like the idea of random openings. They can also reduce/destroy the importance of joseki / standard opening patterns, which I like many feel is generally a plus.
However, they're still quite akin to the original games in their tactics, and don't involve the same kind of probabilistic reasoning as Backgammon or Einstein WN. I personally would also like to see more of these games here.