Monster of Little Golem-Format

All of my games in the Monster of Little Golem Tournament are gone? What are we wanting to do for this?

I think we should start again. There is no other way

I agree with Pawel, I think we should start all games again and forget about previous.

Did somebody save voting results about MoLG tournament format ? I think it would be nice to have it in this topic.

I have saved all voting results. I'll post them in less than 16 hours.

Starting all games over seems like the easiest way. But I think most results from finished games is stored somewhere. I, at least, have noted my victories and losses in all finished games. Maybe we only have to start over unfinished games, and not all the finished ones?

I think we should have a new round to see if everybody still wants to join. At least one in my group never started his games, and there might be somebody that feel they had too many games so they will not start again...

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Marius:

Results of finished games are stored, of course, but I don't like the fact we are not able to check if they are correct. What will we do if players will claim different results (they don't agree on results stated on results page) ?

I know starting all games will affect tournament, but similar occurs when playing again football match interrupted due to bad weather (for example fog)

It was just an idea to save us from playing ALL the games over. Knowing the LG players, I'm pretty sure noone wants to cheat by claiming a false victory. At least I think this option should be considered carefully before starting all games over.

I'm not strictly against your idea, I just think it would be better to play all games again.

But if there will be more players who don't like it, I have no problem start playing just unfinished games

I'm happy that LG is back :-)

I have not strong feelings about whether we should start all over again or not in the monster tournament. Miuek's result page was updated just before the crash, and we could use those data. I think my results was correct there (maybe a few of the later results didn't appear), but I noticed that in some of the matches the total number of points was greater than 28 in the 1st batch...

I guess that it doesn't matter a lot what we do...

Anyway: I will participate in the monster tournament whenever we decide to continue or restart :-)

I assume we play with the same groups...?!

Hi all, I missed ypu all so much. but i missed LG more.

Actually my life was missed in the last 10 days :)

Regarding MoLG, I guess starting over is more appropriate. We may have new players, and also we may redistribute the player over the gropus.

Let us just forget about the rounds we had, and announce for new MoLG.

I have the voting results: (but not the questions)!

Question-number : result-votes, other votes

Q-1 : OK

Q-2 : (a-13), b-2

Q-3 : (c-9), a-4, b-2

Q-4 : (a-13), b-1, c-1

Q-5 : (b-13), a-2

Q-6 : (c-3), a-2, b-2, d-1

Q-7 : OK

Q-8 : (b-11), a-4

Q-9 : (b-7), a-5

Q-10 : (b-7), c-4, a-1

Q-11 : (b-6), a-3, c-3, d-1

From what I remember, we'll have 4 groups (of 7 persons), we'll play two games of each per opponent (one as first and one as second), all results will count for placing (win=2, draw=1, lose=0 in all games), result in streetsoccer games will be at move 52 (the rest moves will not count), SON will be used in case of ties, Empathy will not be played and gamnes will start in 3 phases with 2 (or 3?) weeks apart. Did I miss anything?

If anyone has saved the lost web page from the forum, please correct me.

Oh yes, the first two of each group will pass to the final group!

About what to be done (replay all games or not), I prefer to start again from scratch.

First, because it is easy and simple and no more time has to be lost on what games to start and what not.

Second, not all games had been recorded to miuek's web page.

Third, we'll have statistics from all played games and more important, the actually played games!

Finally, and more important i think, I played for example more quickly in games where I did better (gomoku, hex, chess) and less quickly in the others (e.g. LoA). As a result I had finished 10-15 games with win and 1 with loss. This sounds like not fair if we restart only games that favour one player and not some others.

Another important thing: I'll be on vacation from tomorrow, Saturday 29th of July till 6th of August. If all want to wait until then, it's OK. But I think that all players had the intention to finish this tournament when they joined. So, there is no need to wait to see if anyone wants to continue or withdraw. Waiting for more to join is a valid argument but i don't want any more delays. But that's just my opinion.

Anyway, if all want to start, lets do it. Just tell me toannounce the games and groups. If you want a different group arrangement, I can make it easily. If not, we can get it started.

Some players did not play in the last MoLG, even though they had signed up. Perhaps a confirmation from all players, before we start sending invitations, is a good idea? I'm still in!

(Some players = _rudix_). I've sent private message to see if he wants to continue. I've also asked Pawel to translate in Polish so we don't have a language problem. All other players had started their games (except one or two games that got missed).

I'm in as well.

I think we should not rearrange groups if there won't be 'big differences' against history. Under term 'big difference' I mean for example case, where more than one player from given group withdraw playing in MoLG (I think it's bad idea to have one group of 5 players and other of 7)

icob also had stated that he withdraws. If there are other players who changed their mind, I wasn't informed.

I'd like to add I don't mind if groups will be rearranged, just think it's not necessary.

I checked now at miuek's page that christopher had lost almost all games. Did he lose them or did he resign? Can anyone from group D tell us?

I've queried db - all games he had played had finished after 1st move except gomoku games - those had finished after 2nd move. As far as I know, minimum number of moves for gomoku game is 2 (first move is done by server), so it seems christoper could be asked if he'd like to play in MoLG as well.

Sydog started all his games, but then he stopped playing. He could have been on vacation, of course, but he stopped playing for a rather long period of time.

I've messaged rudix and christopher. I'll probably have no more time tonight to deal with the organization of this tournament. In the worst case, you'll hear from me again at 6th of August. If you decide to start rolling again, please do!

I'm still in for the tournament and I want to start the games from the scratch. I won a LOA game against pako (best seated in or group), but I don't mind to win again :))))

Do you mean yper we should start playing first phase (7 games) ?

Will you have time to send messages to players whom to invite and to which game ?

If ypercube or Miuek or anyone else know of any new players that want to join the monster, perhaps they can join as replacement players for the few who have dropped out? Then again, one less player in each division would also be a good idea (40 less games for everyone!) By the way, count me in.

We should count games which where finished before server crashed. I had many games finished and i would like play another, not replays. I think that noone will cheat saying:"i won that game" where in real he was looser. Games are not rated and we play them for fun. Some of players has all results saved (not me :) ), we should count them and start another games.

I think best way to decide how to play is voting. There are two possibilities

1.

a) starting from scratch

b) playing only unfinished games

Any opinion about other not yet decided things (beside from christopher's and _rudix_'s interests in playing MoLG)

i vote for starting from scratch. it is an easy decision for me, because i had only a handful of games finished (most of them won against osucowboys and i lost one game to ypercube, perhaps), the others were still ongoing.

I vote for 1a) as well.

I'd like just note that I'm little bit against myself - as you can see here I was on 2nd place before server crash (1st is Ray with fewer games played).

As I already mentioned, I think we should be able to observe every game played in MoLG. I've joined MoLG because playing many different games against strong opponents seems funny to me. Just an opinion, of course :-)

Anyway, write your votes here, please. I think we should suppose ypercube would vote for 1a) as well.

1 a) :)

And I sugest to check that all players will play "another" MoLG and if not then maybe change groups?? or change this players to another??

Miuek proposed question #1. I propose question #2. (see below) Everyone please vote and we will decide this democratically. Can anyone think of any other issues that should be addressed?

Ypercupe is leaving tomorrow for vacation. He is probably very busy, so we should plan on not starting this until he returns next week. This will give us time to hash things out. Hopefully, we can begin shortly after Ypercube's return on Aug 6.

1) (a)start from scratch or (b) count games that were finished according to Miuek's website

2) (a) keep the same groups as before or (b)reorganize the groups, allowing new players to enter (If you choose "a" then do you think we should allow new players to enter as replacement players for those that are definitely dropping out? (yes or no))

For the record, my voting choices are 1)a and 2)a (yes)

Also, for the record, I will be on vacation Aug 4-14, and will not be able to start my games until I get back, just to let you all know!

1 a) 2 b)

and allow new players to enter :)

1 a)

2 a) yes

if group rearrangement is necessary (more wihdrawal players from same group etc) then 2 b) instead of 2 a)

1 a)

2 b)

plz consider who'll vote here who are the only ppl willing to continue!!

1a) 2a) (yes) (in a hurry to the airport...)

1 b

2 a

1 a)

2 b) yes

1}a 2}b yes, Wouldn't be a problem if I start my games in Sempetmber? I haven't knew that I don't have acces to internet in August:( After that I will play my games very quick (just like alwayas) If U don't think that's possible then withdraw me:(

1 b

2 a (yes, allow new players to enter)

1-a

2-b

sydog1, my friend, said he wants to withdraw (I'm still in)

My votes:

1 a) - restart games

2 b) - redo pools, allow additions

I vote for

1-a

2-b, to allow withdrawals and additions

1) A

2) B

1a2b

so far, as of this post, the results of the vote (see my earlier post by Ray Garrison) are as follows:

1) a=12 b=2

2) a=5 b=9

(if you have not voted, and you are an original monster contestant who wishes to continue, please post your vote by replying to this forum)

if the voting ended today, then we would restart from scratch (1 "a") and we would reorganize the groups (2 "b"), which means you would probably be playing different players than before. I assume that Ypercube would re-open registration into the Monster tournament upon his return from vacation, then he would rearrange the groups according to his formula (I believe he seeded the players according to average rating and then formed the groups) Should item #2 "a" eventually win the voting (it is moderately a close voting race), then the groups would remain the same as before, but substitutes would be inserted for those players who drop out, and then Ypercube would restart the groups again, same as before, but with substitutes for the withdrawn monstrosities......

If you vote on these two proposals (see earlier post by me, Ray Garrison), then you are agreeing that you wish to continue to play in the Monster. If you know you do not want to contiue, then please do NOT post your votes in this forum but instead, please post that you are withdrawing from the Monster.....

1 a

2 b

I'm still in :-)

If there are some empty places, I can play :), of course if you want