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#2 · redskywalker

27 Nov 2010

I think I am correct in saying that because the Bishops are on different colours you could not claim a draw on the basis of insufficient material to force a checkmate (you could if they were on the same colour) but you will be able to claim a draw on the 50 move rule - so keep on plugging!

#3 · somar96

27 Nov 2010

A mate is possib;e, so this is a hard to solve situation

#4 · encio

27 Nov 2010

i offer draw but he not accept it...

this will be infinity game

WEBMASTER, please cancel game

#5 · Aganju

28 Nov 2010

encio, it is possible to lose the game with very bad play (for either side). That means that technically it is not a forced draw. The rules of chess require you to go for 50 moves without moving a pawn (none left) or capturing a piece (which is probably not going to happen) until it is a forced draw.

Of course, I agree that you're opponent should accept the draw, but there is no way to force him. He might be a beginner who does not fully understand the situation, or he might just being malicious, no way to know.

You can try to contact the webmaster (there is a mail link in the last line of every page), but experience teaches that he typically would not act for this; there are worse cases I have seen. And he would be pretty busy with thousands of games going on in parallel.

Your best bet is to sit tight and go through the 50 moves (you are on 40 already, just 5 more each side!)

#6 · kingofthebesI

28 Nov 2010

This issue actually happened in the fide women's KO tournament a while back where it was KNvKN and it was sudden death blitz where white had to win or be knocked out and white unsportingy wouldn't accept a draw.

IIRC white won on time.

The rules should do something to allow certain blatant draws to be recognised quicker.

#7 · Aganju

28 Nov 2010

there are two views on that - time limits are an accepted part of the chess game (for most tournaments), and if you took more time to get to a drawn situation, you played less good, and therefore earned the loss. The player who managed to get there with more time on his clock was (even so slightly) the better player.

And there is your point.

After all, the rules say it is a draw if the material is insufficient for winning, and you could apply the same logic as above, and have both players continue to make useless moves until one's time is gone. That does not seem to be a good idea either.

And to make it even more complex; there are situations where a player can forced win, but the rules still make the game draw (like KNN v KP -> 115 moves, KRN v KNN -> 262 moves, and there are some with 300+ moves).

So the winner gets cheated out of his win...

#8 · Dustin

28 Nov 2010

If a player won't accept a draw, will LG allow players to claim draws by repetition or the fifty-move rule?

#9 · redskywalker

28 Nov 2010

There is sufficient material for a win - the Bishops are on different colours so a win can be forced - as I said earlier it now goes to the 50 move rule so there is no need to contact anyone as the game will end then anyway!

#10 · richyfourtytwo

28 Nov 2010

I'd very much want to see hat forcing variant, redskywalker! :-) Have a closer look, the bishops are OF different color too, not just on!

And I'm not 100% confident the 50 move rule is implemented here. Can anyone confirm that it is?

#11 · Thomas

28 Nov 2010

BTW: in a draw-free chess variant like Dipole Chess there are not such problems.

#12 · somar96

28 Nov 2010

Aganju, it's 50 moves by both players so yet 60 to go here

#13 · Dustin

28 Nov 2010

A win is only possible if both players cooperate; neither can force a mate. The rules say encio can't claim a draw by insufficient material but etiquette says Annihma should accept one and not wait for the 50-move rule to kick in.

I suspect Annihma is either trying to manipulate his/her rating by prolonging the game or hoping encio will get bored and resign.

#14 · encio

28 Nov 2010

yes yes but... whyt don't accept draw now? endly this game will be draw... :(

#15 · encio

29 Nov 2010

game & topic finished

ths all and good luck