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How does a tie affects the rating?

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#1 · Klaus (GoKlaus@BSW)

24 Dec 2002

Maybe it was discussed in a previous task, but I couldn't find it.
Suppose, that two players with different strength (rating) play against eachother. At the moment it seems that a tie doesn't affect the rating of both players. But normally it is hard enough to get a tie against a stronger player. So shouldn't be there a little bonus in rating for the weaker one?

#2 · Ed Collins

27 Dec 2002

You are correct, Klaus. A lower-rated player should indeed pick up a few rating points if he/she is able to tie his/her higher-rated opponent. This is logical. I do not know the exact formula used at this site, so I can't say for sure if that is being done here. From what you say it sounds as if it is not. I am a member of the United States Chess Federation and when we play rated chess games, the formula used by the USCF is as you suggest... the higher-rated player actually loses a few rating points and the lower-rated player picks up a few rating points if the lower-rated player ties. (The lower-rated player picks up even MORE points, of course, if the lower-rated player WINS.)

#3 · grade1teacher

27 Dec 2002

It does work that way here as well, at least it does in my 4 in a row games. After a game ended in a draw yesterday, I lost 7 ratings points while my opponent gained 7 ratings points.

#4 · Klaus (GoKlaus@BSW)

28 Dec 2002

Thanks for your replies. It's good to hear, that the rating calculation works for some games like I believe it should work.

But it doesn't work in my games, where I played a tie.
The last one was a game in a Dvonn tournament. Here is a part of the final message of the game. As you can see, the rating was not changed as expected.

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Klaus Kontny old rating: 1500 newrating: 1500
xxxxx old rating: 1516 newrating: 1516
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Maybe the calculation depends on the difference between the player's rating or is depends on the kind of game.

The other tie was in a reversi tournament and again, the rating was not changed.

I don't want to get some rating points for these games, no. All I want to discuss is, how should it be handled in future.

#5 · grade1teacher

28 Dec 2002

My guess is that your ratings didn't change because there wasn't that much difference in your rating and your opponent's to begin with.
I was rated almost 200 points higher than my opponent.

#6 · klaashaas

28 Dec 2002

If a rating is calculated out of only a few games, it doesn't change much (or nothing) either. I think the formula only works when there are two established ratings.