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#1 · darse

21 Jan 2012

I've enjoyed my first few games of Empathy, and have enjoyed some success (winning on my first two tries, then 3 out of 5, and coming very close on a couple of others).

I didn't see a good way of finding out who the best players are, so i wrote a program to gather and parse all the game results, and calculate a few different metrics. The next couple of posts will provide the results of that analysis.

Please critique or comment on my methods, or suggest other measures that you might like to see.

Here are the three scoring methods i used:

1. The shared win - shared loss score.

All the winners share in the win, and all the non-winners share in the loss. For example, if there were 22 players, and two of them tied for first, then the winners would each earn 1/2 = 0.5 wins, and the non-winners would each get -1/20 = -0.05 losses (making it a zero-sum metric). Over many games, we sum a player's win/loss shares, and divide by the number of games played to get an average.

2. The number of "chips" won.

This model is like a poker game: everyone antes one chip to play, and the winners split the pot equally. In the previous example, each of the non-winners would net -1 chip, while the winners would net +10 chips each (they gross 11 chips, but it cost them 1 for the ante). That makes it a zero-sum total again, and winning a game with many players counts for more than winning a smaller game. Over many games, we sum the chip totals, and divide by the number of games played to get an average (or "return on investment", ROI).

3. The fraction of the best possible score.

Here we compare the player's score to the maximum score possible (i.e. the sum of the top 10 answers). [1] Since 10 unique answers still earns 10 points, i subtract 10 from both totals to get a fraction in the range 0.0 - 1.0. [2] Over many games, we sum the fractions, and divide by the number of games played to get an average.

I did not sort the player rankings by average fraction, because that number depends a lot on which games were played. Some wins will have a 1.0 fraction, while other games have tough categories where the winning fraction might be only 0.75, or less. The average winning fraction was 0.9037 (~90%) over the 65 games in the archive so far. [3]

Footnotes:

[1] If no one had a perfect score, then you could argue that the best possible score was actually a little higher. I ignore that and just use the sum of the top 10 answers as the denominator.

[2] Some players somehow managed to score less than 10 (e.g. an incomplete entry), but they do not score below 0.0.

[3] I've read some forum posts indicating that many past games were lost as a result of a server crash. Unfortunately, i have no way of accessing those game results.

For the averages, a minimum number of games is required, so that statistically meaningless results don't pollute the top of the list. If a player has played less than the minimum number of games, then their totals are divided by the minimum instead of by the actual number of games (i.e. a true Bayesian average). I would normally choose a 10-game or 20-game minimum, but i chose 7 here because Richard's Empathy results page gives a table for the last 7 games. [No, i didn't choose 7 just because that's the number of games i've played under "drbot" -- and i'd still be on top of the list with a 20-game minimum anyway, so there. :-p]

For the player rankings, i've only shown the top 27 out of 121 players who have played at least one game of Empathy (roughly the top 22%). There was a natural break at around the zero expected value point, just above the many players who have played only one game.

I haven't shown the whole table because i don't want to risk causing any embarrassment to anyone. If you're not on the list, and would like to know your ranking and stats, then send me a message and i'll send you the row.

Following the player rankings will be a summary of all the games played so far (since the crash). Included in that table is the number of unique answers given for each game (and average number of uniques per player), which can be viewed as a measure of how disperse the answers were (or perhaps how hard the category was, in terms of reaching common consensus choices).

I'm new to LG, and not yet sure how to do proper formatting, so forgive me if the first attempts get messed up.

#2 · darse

21 Jan 2012

Here are the top player rankings, sorted by win/loss average, using a 7-game minimum.

<br/><br/>Empathy Player Rankings:<br/><br/> sorted by average win/loss per game (minimum 7 games)<br/><br/> Legend:<br/><br/> rank = overall rank among all past participants (by win_avg)<br/> games = games played<br/> wins = total wins and shared wins (1 / number of winners)<br/> win_avg = average win/loss share per game<br/> chips = total chips earned over all games played<br/> ch_avg = average chips earned per game (1-chip ante)<br/> fr_avg = average fraction of the maximum score<br/> plid = player id number<br/> username = player username<br/><br/> rank games wins win_avg chips ch_avg fr_avg plid username<br/><br/> 1 7 3.00 +0.4026 +71.00 +10.14 0.8494 26854 drbot<br/> 2 9 2.00 +0.1939 +40.00 +4.44 0.7891 13607 aldiris<br/> 3 62 10.54 +0.1358 +250.83 +4.05 0.7285 14918 MarleysGhost<br/> 4 60 8.37 +0.1094 +176.97 +2.95 0.7524 7861 wojtex<br/> 5 16 2.00 +0.0963 +39.00 +2.44 0.6382 10303 MichaeI X<br/> 6 60 7.12 +0.0857 +134.72 +2.25 0.7465 1017 Elisa Kabiljo<br/> 7 12 1.08 +0.0605 +21.38 +1.78 0.6173 25403 Ericos<br/> 8 1 0.33 +0.0476 +5.67 +0.81 0.6444 15475 Randy J.<br/> 9 63 4.33 +0.0307 +56.67 +0.90 0.6018 23360 nemrac<br/> 10 54 3.50 +0.0258 +28.50 +0.53 0.6247 7704 slaapgraag<br/> 11 15 1.00 +0.0251 +10.00 +0.67 0.4979 1927 Bill LeBoeuf<br/> 12 3 0.25 +0.0234 +5.75 +0.82 0.6506 16207 Micco<br/> 13 4 0.25 +0.0201 +4.75 +0.68 0.6889 21003 Aganju<br/> 14 22 1.04 +0.0171 +5.83 +0.27 0.6734 1373 klaashaas<br/> 15 27 1.50 +0.0163 +17.00 +0.63 0.7109 2369 Tom Ace<br/> 16 20 1.04 +0.0160 +0.83 +0.04 0.5794 2495 Barry<br/> 17 13 0.54 +0.0147 +3.83 +0.29 0.6040 22247 Got Twixt<br/> 18 58 3.04 +0.0147 +27.83 +0.48 0.6249 16377 Finn Th. Nielsen<br/> 19 10 0.50 +0.0108 +3.00 +0.30 0.6659 13536 saimon<br/> 20 30 1.25 +0.0082 +9.25 +0.31 0.6427 2318 Burton<br/> 21 28 1.25 +0.0073 +4.75 +0.17 0.6925 16629 Paul Gautherot<br/> 22 1 0.04 +0.0060 +0.83 +0.12 1.0000 13774 Antonio<br/> 23 1 0.04 +0.0060 +0.83 +0.12 1.0000 10407 Ray Garrison<br/> 24 2 0.04 +0.0012 -0.17 -0.02 0.7941 13804 Stella Chui<br/> 25 41 1.37 +0.0006 -4.53 -0.11 0.6202 2475 Jos<br/> 26 39 1.41 +0.0004 -10.95 -0.28 0.5188 22272 keith630<br/> 27 52 1.87 -0.0002 -11.03 -0.21 0.6332 21402 somar96<br/>

#3 · darse

21 Jan 2012

Rats, that deleted extra spaces and messed up the formatting... trying again.

Empathy Player Rankings:

sorted by average win/loss per game (minimum 7 games)

Legend:

rank = overall rank among all past participants (by win_avg)

games = games played

wins = total wins and shared wins (1 / number of winners)

win_avg = average win/loss share per game

chips = total chips earned over all games played

ch_avg = average chips earned per game (1-chip ante)

fr_avg = average fraction of the maximum score

plid = player id number

username = player username

rank games wins win_avg chips ch_avg fr_avg plid username

1 7 3.00 +0.4026 +71.00 +10.14 0.8494 26854 drbot

2 9 2.00 +0.1939 +40.00 +4.44 0.7891 13607 aldiris

3 62 10.54 +0.1358 +250.83 +4.05 0.7285 14918 MarleysGhost

4 60 8.37 +0.1094 +176.97 +2.95 0.7524 7861 wojtex

5 16 2.00 +0.0963 +39.00 +2.44 0.6382 10303 MichaeI X

6 60 7.12 +0.0857 +134.72 +2.25 0.7465 1017 Elisa Kabiljo

7 12 1.08 +0.0605 +21.38 +1.78 0.6173 25403 Ericos

8 1 0.33 +0.0476 +5.67 +0.81 0.6444 15475 Randy J.

9 63 4.33 +0.0307 +56.67 +0.90 0.6018 23360 nemrac

10 54 3.50 +0.0258 +28.50 +0.53 0.6247 7704 slaapgraag

11 15 1.00 +0.0251 +10.00 +0.67 0.4979 1927 Bill LeBoeuf

12 3 0.25 +0.0234 +5.75 +0.82 0.6506 16207 Micco

13 4 0.25 +0.0201 +4.75 +0.68 0.6889 21003 Aganju

14 22 1.04 +0.0171 +5.83 +0.27 0.6734 1373 klaashaas

15 27 1.50 +0.0163 +17.00 +0.63 0.7109 2369 Tom Ace

16 20 1.04 +0.0160 +0.83 +0.04 0.5794 2495 Barry

17 13 0.54 +0.0147 +3.83 +0.29 0.6040 22247 Got Twixt

18 58 3.04 +0.0147 +27.83 +0.48 0.6249 16377 Finn Th. Nielsen

19 10 0.50 +0.0108 +3.00 +0.30 0.6659 13536 saimon

20 30 1.25 +0.0082 +9.25 +0.31 0.6427 2318 Burton

21 28 1.25 +0.0073 +4.75 +0.17 0.6925 16629 Paul Gautherot

22 1 0.04 +0.0060 +0.83 +0.12 1.0000 13774 Antonio

23 1 0.04 +0.0060 +0.83 +0.12 1.0000 10407 Ray Garrison

24 2 0.04 +0.0012 -0.17 -0.02 0.7941 13804 Stella Chui

25 41 1.37 +0.0006 -4.53 -0.11 0.6202 2475 Jos

26 39 1.41 +0.0004 -10.95 -0.28 0.5188 22272 keith630

27 52 1.87 -0.0002 -11.03 -0.21 0.6332 21402 somar96

#4 · darse

21 Jan 2012

Hmm... both blah and blah tags flunk...

Rather than posting more messed-up tables, could someone advise me on how to post fixed-width font (plain text), without losing the correct spacing? Thanks.

#5 · darse

21 Jan 2012

Err..., that should read [code] and [verbatim] tags, with angle brackets.

#6 · darse

21 Jan 2012

Here is another try -- sorry for the noise.

Empathy Player Rankings:

sorted by average win/loss per game (minimum 7 games)

Legend:

rank = overall rank among all past participants (by win_avg)

games = games played

wins = total wins and shared wins (1 / number of winners)

win_avg = average win/loss share per game

chips = total chips earned over all games played

ch_avg = average chips earned per game (1-chip ante)

fr_avg = average fraction of the maximum score

plid = player id number

username = player username

rank games wins win_avg chips ch_avg fr_avg plid username

1 7 3.00 +0.4026 +71.00 +10.14 0.8494 26854 drbot

2 9 2.00 +0.1939 +40.00 +4.44 0.7891 13607 aldiris

3 62 10.54 +0.1358 +250.83 +4.05 0.7285 14918 MarleysGhost

4 60 8.37 +0.1094 +176.97 +2.95 0.7524 7861 wojtex

5 16 2.00 +0.0963 +39.00 +2.44 0.6382 10303 MichaeI X

6 60 7.12 +0.0857 +134.72 +2.25 0.7465 1017 Elisa Kabiljo

7 12 1.08 +0.0605 +21.38 +1.78 0.6173 25403 Ericos

8 1 0.33 +0.0476 +5.67 +0.81 0.6444 15475 Randy J.

9 63 4.33 +0.0307 +56.67 +0.90 0.6018 23360 nemrac

10 54 3.50 +0.0258 +28.50 +0.53 0.6247 7704 slaapgraag

11 15 1.00 +0.0251 +10.00 +0.67 0.4979 1927 Bill LeBoeuf

12 3 0.25 +0.0234 +5.75 +0.82 0.6506 16207 Micco

13 4 0.25 +0.0201 +4.75 +0.68 0.6889 21003 Aganju

14 22 1.04 +0.0171 +5.83 +0.27 0.6734 1373 klaashaas

15 27 1.50 +0.0163 +17.00 +0.63 0.7109 2369 Tom Ace

16 20 1.04 +0.0160 +0.83 +0.04 0.5794 2495 Barry

17 13 0.54 +0.0147 +3.83 +0.29 0.6040 22247 Got Twixt

18 58 3.04 +0.0147 +27.83 +0.48 0.6249 16377 Finn Th. Nielsen

19 10 0.50 +0.0108 +3.00 +0.30 0.6659 13536 saimon

20 30 1.25 +0.0082 +9.25 +0.31 0.6427 2318 Burton

21 28 1.25 +0.0073 +4.75 +0.17 0.6925 16629 Paul Gautherot

22 1 0.04 +0.0060 +0.83 +0.12 1.0000 13774 Antonio

23 1 0.04 +0.0060 +0.83 +0.12 1.0000 10407 Ray Garrison

24 2 0.04 +0.0012 -0.17 -0.02 0.7941 13804 Stella Chui

25 41 1.37 +0.0006 -4.53 -0.11 0.6202 2475 Jos

26 39 1.41 +0.0004 -10.95 -0.28 0.5188 22272 keith630

27 52 1.87 -0.0002 -11.03 -0.21 0.6332 21402 somar96

#7 · darse

21 Jan 2012

I'll just continue thrashing, for your amusement...

<br/>Empathy Player Rankings:
<br/><br/> sorted by average win/loss per game (minimum 7 games)
<br/><br/> Legend:
<br/><br/>     rank = overall rank among all past participants (by win_avg)
<br/>    games = games played
<br/>     wins = total wins and shared wins (1 / number of winners)
<br/>  win_avg = average win/loss share per game
<br/>    chips = total chips earned over all games played
<br/>   ch_avg = average chips earned per game (1-chip ante)
<br/>   fr_avg = average fraction of the maximum score
<br/>     plid = player id number
<br/> username = player username
<br/><br/>rank games  wins  win_avg   chips ch_avg  fr_avg   plid  username
<br/><br/>   1    7   3.00  +0.4026  +71.00 +10.14  0.8494  26854  drbot
<br/>   2    9   2.00  +0.1939  +40.00  +4.44  0.7891  13607  aldiris
<br/>   3   62  10.54  +0.1358 +250.83  +4.05  0.7285  14918  MarleysGhost
<br/>   4   60   8.37  +0.1094 +176.97  +2.95  0.7524   7861  wojtex
<br/>   5   16   2.00  +0.0963  +39.00  +2.44  0.6382  10303  MichaeI X
<br/>   6   60   7.12  +0.0857 +134.72  +2.25  0.7465   1017  Elisa Kabiljo
<br/>   7   12   1.08  +0.0605  +21.38  +1.78  0.6173  25403  Ericos
<br/>   8    1   0.33  +0.0476   +5.67  +0.81  0.6444  15475  Randy J.
<br/>   9   63   4.33  +0.0307  +56.67  +0.90  0.6018  23360  nemrac
<br/>  10   54   3.50  +0.0258  +28.50  +0.53  0.6247   7704  slaapgraag
<br/>  11   15   1.00  +0.0251  +10.00  +0.67  0.4979   1927  Bill LeBoeuf
<br/>  12    3   0.25  +0.0234   +5.75  +0.82  0.6506  16207  Micco
<br/>  13    4   0.25  +0.0201   +4.75  +0.68  0.6889  21003  Aganju
<br/>  14   22   1.04  +0.0171   +5.83  +0.27  0.6734   1373  klaashaas
<br/>  15   27   1.50  +0.0163  +17.00  +0.63  0.7109   2369  Tom Ace
<br/>  16   20   1.04  +0.0160   +0.83  +0.04  0.5794   2495  Barry
<br/>  17   13   0.54  +0.0147   +3.83  +0.29  0.6040  22247  Got Twixt
<br/>  18   58   3.04  +0.0147  +27.83  +0.48  0.6249  16377  Finn Th. Nielsen
<br/>  19   10   0.50  +0.0108   +3.00  +0.30  0.6659  13536  saimon
<br/>  20   30   1.25  +0.0082   +9.25  +0.31  0.6427   2318  Burton
<br/>  21   28   1.25  +0.0073   +4.75  +0.17  0.6925  16629  Paul Gautherot
<br/>  22    1   0.04  +0.0060   +0.83  +0.12  1.0000  13774  Antonio
<br/>  23    1   0.04  +0.0060   +0.83  +0.12  1.0000  10407  Ray Garrison
<br/>  24    2   0.04  +0.0012   -0.17  -0.02  0.7941  13804  Stella Chui
<br/>  25   41   1.37  +0.0006   -4.53  -0.11  0.6202   2475  Jos
<br/>  26   39   1.41  +0.0004  -10.95  -0.28  0.5188  22272  keith630
<br/>  27   52   1.87  -0.0002  -11.03  -0.21  0.6332  21402  somar96
<br/>

#8 · darse

21 Jan 2012

(Okay, [quote] [/quote] doesn't work and [pre] [/pre] HTML tags give double spacing, but i'll just have to live with that...)

Here are the player rankings again, this time sorted by average chips (i.e. return on investment, or ROI), and using a 10-game minimum.

The cut-off is a bit higher this time (24 players above the one-loss group).

Please comment on which method you prefer.

<br/>Empathy Player Rankings:
<br/><br/> sorted by average chips per game (minimum 10 games)
<br/><br/> Legend:
<br/><br/>     rank = overall rank among all past participants (by win_avg)
<br/>    games = games played
<br/>     wins = total wins and shared wins (1 / number of winners)
<br/>  win_avg = average win/loss share per game
<br/>    chips = total chips earned over all games played
<br/>   ch_avg = average chips earned per game (1-chip ante)
<br/>   fr_avg = average fraction of the maximum score
<br/>     plid = player id number
<br/> username = player username
<br/><br/>rank games  wins  win_avg   chips ch_avg  fr_avg   plid  username
<br/><br/>   1    7   3.00  +0.2818  +71.00  +7.10  0.8494  26854  drbot
<br/>   2   62  10.54  +0.1358 +250.83  +4.05  0.7285  14918  MarleysGhost
<br/>   3    9   2.00  +0.1745  +40.00  +4.00  0.7891  13607  aldiris
<br/>   4   60   8.37  +0.1094 +176.97  +2.95  0.7524   7861  wojtex
<br/>   5   16   2.00  +0.0963  +39.00  +2.44  0.6382  10303  MichaeI X
<br/>   6   60   7.12  +0.0857 +134.72  +2.25  0.7465   1017  Elisa Kabiljo
<br/>   7   12   1.08  +0.0605  +21.38  +1.78  0.6173  25403  Ericos
<br/>   8   63   4.33  +0.0307  +56.67  +0.90  0.6018  23360  nemrac
<br/>   9   15   1.00  +0.0251  +10.00  +0.67  0.4979   1927  Bill LeBoeuf
<br/>  10   27   1.50  +0.0163  +17.00  +0.63  0.7109   2369  Tom Ace
<br/>  11    3   0.25  +0.0164   +5.75  +0.57  0.6506  16207  Micco
<br/>  12    1   0.33  +0.0333   +5.67  +0.57  0.6444  15475  Randy J.
<br/>  13   54   3.50  +0.0258  +28.50  +0.53  0.6247   7704  slaapgraag
<br/>  14   58   3.04  +0.0147  +27.83  +0.48  0.6249  16377  Finn Th. Nielsen
<br/>  15    4   0.25  +0.0141   +4.75  +0.47  0.6889  21003  Aganju
<br/>  16   30   1.25  +0.0082   +9.25  +0.31  0.6427   2318  Burton
<br/>  17   10   0.50  +0.0108   +3.00  +0.30  0.6659  13536  saimon
<br/>  18   13   0.54  +0.0147   +3.83  +0.29  0.6040  22247  Got Twixt
<br/>  19   22   1.04  +0.0171   +5.83  +0.27  0.6734   1373  klaashaas
<br/>  20   28   1.25  +0.0073   +4.75  +0.17  0.6925  16629  Paul Gautherot
<br/>  21    1   0.04  +0.0042   +0.83  +0.08  1.0000  13774  Antonio
<br/>  22    1   0.04  +0.0042   +0.83  +0.08  1.0000  10407  Ray Garrison
<br/>  23   20   1.04  +0.0160   +0.83  +0.04  0.5794   2495  Barry
<br/>  24    2   0.04  +0.0008   -0.17  -0.02  0.7941  13804  Stella Chui
<br/>

#9 · darse

21 Jan 2012

Finally, here are some stats on each Empathy game played so far, in chronological order.

The games with the highest ratio of unique answers are games 15, 50, 46, and 51, with an average of 5 unique answers per player, or more.

And... i'll have to send it in two chunks because it exceeds the size limits.

<br/>Game Details:
<br/><br/> Legend:
<br/><br/>     game = game number
<br/>     plrs = number of players
<br/>       1s = number of answers that were unique (1)
<br/>      1pp = average number of uniques per player
<br/>       Ws = number of winners
<br/>   wshare = bonus for winning = (1 / number of winners)
<br/>  -lshare = penalty for not winning = (-1 / number of non-winners)
<br/>    chips = number of chips earned for the winner(s) (1-chip ante)
<br/> fraction = fraction of the maximum score = (score - 10) / (maxscore - 10)
<br/>            [ 1.0 = a perfect top 10 list,  0.0 = 10 unique picks (1) ]
<br/><br/>game plrs  1s  1pp  Ws wshare  -lshare  chips fraction       category / expression  [ winner(s) ]
<br/><br/>   1  23   82  3.57  1  1.000  -0.0455  22.00  0.9778              best sports car  [ Elisa Kabiljo ]
<br/>   2  35   47  1.34  4  0.250  -0.0323   7.75  1.0000                 Solar System  [ somar96, Aganju, Paul Gautherot, Micco ]
<br/>   3  24   69  2.88  1  1.000  -0.0435  23.00  0.8980  things to secure your house  [ Paul Gautherot ]
<br/>   4  27  103  3.81  1  1.000  -0.0385  26.00  0.8736 Bjorn, Steffi, Rafael, Roger,  Serena, Venus and ?  [ aldiris ]
<br/>   5  32   62  1.94  1  1.000  -0.0323  31.00  0.8403               favorite dance  [ Burton ]
<br/>   6  22   47  2.14  1  1.000  -0.0476  21.00  0.8966             Bob Dylan albums  [ aldiris ]
<br/>   7  30   79  2.63  1  1.000  -0.0345  29.00  0.9695                         lips  [ slaapgraag ]
<br/>   8  31   65  2.10  1  1.000  -0.0333  30.00  0.9231                 healthy food  [ Hjallti ]
<br/>   9  31   65  2.10  1  1.000  -0.0333  30.00  0.9716                         wine  [ MichaeI X ]
<br/>  10  30   68  2.27  1  1.000  -0.0345  29.00  0.9123           favorite fast food  [ nemrac ]
<br/>  11  35  100  2.86  1  1.000  -0.0294  34.00  0.8889          paper _____________  [ MarleysGhost ]
<br/>  12  32   90  2.81  1  1.000  -0.0323  31.00  0.9449        I'm not afraid of ...  [ MarleysGhost ]
<br/>  13  26   91  3.50  1  1.000  -0.0400  25.00  0.9381        Quick, catch the ...!  [ MarleysGhost ]
<br/>  14  24   78  3.25  1  1.000  -0.0435  23.00  0.6667 Everyone likes ________ . I don't.  [ MichaeI X ]
<br/>  15  26  154  5.92  1  1.000  -0.0400  25.00  0.8542  I wonder where......is now!  [ klaashaas ]
<br/>  16  31   82  2.65  1  1.000  -0.0333  30.00  0.9928                       turtle  [ wojtex ]
<br/>  17  23  105  4.57  2  0.500  -0.0476  10.50  0.9077                    wrestlers  [ slaapgraag, wojtex ]
<br/>  18  29   76  2.62  1  1.000  -0.0357  28.00  1.0000                         frog  [ MarleysGhost ]
<br/>  19  33   81  2.45  1  1.000  -0.0312  32.00  0.9000    abbreviations (3 letters)  [ Yoti ]
<br/>  20  34  138  4.06  1  1.000  -0.0303  33.00  0.8444                      silence  [ MarleysGhost ]
<br/>  21  37   56  1.51  1  1.000  -0.0278  36.00  0.8347           ...............day  [ Finn Th. Nielsen ]
<br/>  22  38   98  2.58  2  0.500  -0.0278  18.00  0.9925                       silver  [ Elisa Kabiljo, wojtex ]
<br/>  23  35   30  0.86  2  0.500  -0.0303  16.50  1.0000                        chess  [ wojtex, Elisa Kabiljo ]
<br/>  24  28   87  3.11  1  1.000  -0.0370  27.00  0.8571                     Scissors  [ nemrac ]
<br/>  25  30  143  4.77  2  0.500  -0.0357  14.00  0.8000               best golem bot  [ Aaron Coombs, Got Twixt ]
<br/>  26  29   75  2.59  4  0.250  -0.0400   6.25  1.0000 Famous people with initials MJ  [ Jos, Burton, Hjallti, wojtex ]
<br/>  27  31   40  1.29 13  0.077  -0.0556   1.38  1.0000               Largest States  [ axiohm, daedalus02, Jos, stay, Dionysos, somar96, keith630, funtobewith11, Elisa Kabiljo, Ericos, sanderss69, wojtex, passenger ]
<br/>  28  34   59  1.74  1  1.000  -0.0303  33.00  1.0000       best US state to visit  [ wojtex ]
<br/>  29  31   88  2.84  1  1.000  -0.0333  30.00  0.8627 Best place to sleep when homeless  [ nemrac ]
<br/>  30  44   14  0.32 24  0.042  -0.0500   0.83  1.0000           Months of the Year  [ MarleysGhost, kingofthebesI, sean_henderson, omike, Barry, thomsen nielsen, Antonio, Finn Th. Nielsen, Hjallti, somar96, Elisa Kabiljo, daedalus02, Jos, axiohm, Dasher, Got Twixt, Aaron Coombs, klaashaas, Viper, wojtex, Ray Garrison, zwack, WerZerg, Stella Chui ]
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#10 · darse

21 Jan 2012

<br/>game plrs  1s  1pp  Ws wshare  -lshare  chips fraction       category / expression  [ winner(s) ]
<br/><br/>  31  30  102  3.40  2  0.500  -0.0357  14.00  0.7558                Johnny Carson  [ MarleysGhost, wojtex ]
<br/>  32  35   64  1.83  2  0.500  -0.0303  16.50  0.9924                         cats  [ Elisa Kabiljo, wojtex ]
<br/>  33  31   81  2.61  1  1.000  -0.0333  30.00  0.8729                         zero  [ Ericos ]
<br/>  34  32   86  2.69  2  0.500  -0.0333  15.00  0.9880                         time  [ Tom Ace, Elisa Kabiljo ]
<br/>  35  33   67  2.03  1  1.000  -0.0312  32.00  0.9124                      student  [ MarleysGhost ]
<br/>  36  25  110  4.40  1  1.000  -0.0417  24.00  0.8289       your favorite molecule  [ MarleysGhost ]
<br/>  37  25   58  2.32  1  1.000  -0.0417  24.00  0.9744              dutch comedians  [ Jos ]
<br/>  38  24   88  3.67  1  1.000  -0.0435  23.00  0.9873                    magazines  [ nemrac ]
<br/>  39  31   75  2.42  1  1.000  -0.0333  30.00  0.8879 No, you idiot, Tokyo is not the capital of _________  [ MarleysGhost ]
<br/>  40  27   28  1.04  1  1.000  -0.0385  26.00  0.9658                US Presidents  [ Elisa Kabiljo ]
<br/>  41  24   80  3.33  1  1.000  -0.0435  23.00  0.7979                      picture  [ MarleysGhost ]
<br/>  42  27   92  3.41  1  1.000  -0.0385  26.00  0.8514 How to recognise different types of trees from quite a long way away  [ MarleysGhost ]
<br/>  43  27   57  2.11  2  0.500  -0.0400  12.50  1.0000                        water  [ Elisa Kabiljo, wojtex ]
<br/>  44  26   50  1.92  2  0.500  -0.0417  12.00  1.0000    Moons in the Solar system  [ saimon, somar96 ]
<br/>  45  27   77  2.85  1  1.000  -0.0385  26.00  0.7765                       Trains  [ wojtex ]
<br/>  46  22  123  5.59  1  1.000  -0.0476  21.00  0.7353        Top Chess Tournaments  [ slaapgraag ]
<br/>  47  22   54  2.45  1  1.000  -0.0476  21.00  0.9518    Seaside towns in England.  [ Finn Th. Nielsen ]
<br/>  48  25   60  2.40  1  1.000  -0.0417  24.00  0.9680                 philosophers  [ Finn Th. Nielsen ]
<br/>  49  22   41  1.86  1  1.000  -0.0476  21.00  0.9815                      Dracula  [ Elisa Kabiljo ]
<br/>  50  19  107  5.63  1  1.000  -0.0556  18.00  0.9107    Europe's best distilates.  [ Barry ]
<br/>  51  13   65  5.00  1  1.000  -0.0833  12.00  0.6429                        robot  [ funtobewith11 ]
<br/>  52  15   41  2.73  1  1.000  -0.0714  14.00  1.0000              Aquatic mammals  [ somar96 ]
<br/>  53  20   89  4.45  3  0.333  -0.0588   5.67  0.6444             best job to have  [ nemrac, keith630, Randy J. ]
<br/>  54  20   45  2.25  1  1.000  -0.0526  19.00  0.8916                       Stairs  [ nonpharm ]
<br/>  55  21   51  2.43  2  0.500  -0.0526   9.50  0.9900                    christmas  [ wojtex, Elisa Kabiljo ]
<br/>  56  25   76  3.04  1  1.000  -0.0417  24.00  0.9176                       castle  [ Bill LeBoeuf ]
<br/>  57  16   61  3.81  1  1.000  -0.0667  15.00  0.8302                       Greece  [ wojtex ]
<br/>  58  19   71  3.74  1  1.000  -0.0556  18.00  0.7778    I found a ...  in my shoe  [ keith630 ]
<br/>  59  26   80  3.08  1  1.000  -0.0400  25.00  0.9524                   physicists  [ drbot ]
<br/>  60  31  116  3.74  1  1.000  -0.0333  30.00  0.8657                   revolution  [ drbot ]
<br/>  61  28   74  2.64  1  1.000  -0.0370  27.00  0.8081                         cave  [ Tom Ace ]
<br/>  62  19   73  3.84  1  1.000  -0.0556  18.00  0.8800 mathematicians more famous for something else  [ slaapgraag ]
<br/>  63  21   58  2.76  1  1.000  -0.0500  20.00  0.9054                    mountains  [ drbot ]
<br/>  64  26   47  1.81  2  0.500  -0.0417  12.00  1.0000            Disney Characters  [ Elisa Kabiljo, wojtex ]
<br/>  65  23   56  2.43  2  0.500  -0.0476  10.50  0.9469                  Nobel Prize  [ Dasher, Elisa Kabiljo ]
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#12 · ypercube

21 Jan 2012

<font courier="courier"><br/>rank games  wins  win_avg   chips ch_avg  fr_avg   plid  username
<br/>   1    7   3.00  +0.2818  +71.00  +7.10  0.8494  26854  drbot
<br/>   2   62  10.54  +0.1358 +250.83  +4.05  0.7285  14918  MarleysGhost
<br/>   3    9   2.00  +0.1745  +40.00  +4.00  0.7891  13607  aldiris
<br/></font>

#13 · darse

22 Jan 2012

Thanks for the link, SpectreOfBob. :)

Q1: Are there particular ways that mongoose looks at the results that you really like? Golf scorecard, maybe?

Q2: Is there some old data there that might be salvaged and used in current reports? The "time machine" links are all File Not Found.

#14 · Hjallti

22 Jan 2012

I guess Richard somehow made old results invisible due to complaints about repeated topics.

#15 · Hjallti

22 Jan 2012

In fact I liked most the stats about most wins, most top10 places. I think I was around 30 when mongoose stopped to deliver results and I got a series of great results... a shame I never so my climb...

#16 · MarleysGhost

22 Jan 2012

Yes, the golf scorecard is my favorite. 2nd favorite is Top Ten Percentage.

#18 · darse

23 Jan 2012

Wow, thanks for that, ypercube! I was fetching all the recent webpages, but for some reason it never occurred to me to try the earlier game numbers -- and they appear to work fine!

That should make future lists far more comprehensive.

#19 · slaapgraag

23 Jan 2012

Marleys, thx for posing that link. Ths 'golfcard' was my favourite too, always meant for me 'the best player of the moment'. Oh, I was GOOD back then ;-). Too bad it doesnt work anymore....

#20 · darse

23 Jan 2012

I'll see what i can do along those lines, but i have some other improvements to do first.

I've now gathered the backlog games. I see that you rank third in all-time wins, and have amassed an impressive hoard of chips:

<br/>rank games  wins  w-l_avg   chips chip_avg frac_avg plid  username
<br/><br/>  25  638  46.42  +0.0533 +1156.70  +1.81  0.7811   1017  Elisa Kabiljo
<br/>  15  477  45.05  +0.0794 +2188.70  +4.59  0.8096  10954  Paavo Pirinen
<br/>  55  557  30.20  +0.0323  +562.91  +1.01  0.7293   7704  slaapgraag
<br/>  39  492  29.10  +0.0395  +872.18  +1.77  0.7778  12895  FatPhil
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#21 · darse

24 Jan 2012

I have some new results, going all the way back to game #1...

I'm going to re-start the discussion in a new thread, because the very wide game summary table makes it hard to read the other posts (it causes horizontal scrolling). Starting from scratch will also allow me to lose the formatting errors in the early posts.

#22 · darse

2 Feb 2012

Just experimenting with more HTML tags -- please disregard.

code:

<br/> 1 107 56 4 4 2 1 7 5 13 5 10 17 11 2 1 1 1 6 10 7 Elisa Kabiljo<br/>

kbd:

1 107 56 4 4 2 1 7 5 13 5 10 17 11 2 1 1 1 6 10 7 Elisa Kabiljo

samp:

1 107 56 4 4 2 1 7 5 13 5 10 17 11 2 1 1 1 6 10 7 Elisa Kabiljo

tt:

1 107 56 4 4 2 1 7 5 13 5 10 17 11 2 1 1 1 6 10 7 Elisa Kabiljo

var:

1 107 56 4 4 2 1 7 5 13 5 10 17 11 2 1 1 1 6 10 7 Elisa Kabiljo

pre:

<br/>   1  107   56    4   4   2   1   7   5  13   5  10  17  11   2   1   1   1   6  10   7   Elisa Kabiljo
<br/>

end test.

#23 · darse

2 Feb 2012

Ya, that's just broken... :-)

Will be posting the recent golf scorecard to the new thread...