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Empathy

#1 · darse

24 Jan 2012

I've written a program that gathers the results of all past Empathy games, and ranks the players according to various scoring metrics. Please provide feedback if you'd like to see other kinds of scoring.

The first list shows the top players over the last 20 games. The second list shows the results over all 748 recorded games to date. [Note: game #749 is now finished, but no results page was found for game #110.]

Both lists are sorted by the win-loss average (over a minimum of 20 games). Sorting by the average number of chips won would also be reasonable, and it tends to favour the winners of the large 100-player games in the past.

The program also produces a one-line summary for each Empathy game, but since the table is quite large, i won't post it unless there is a demand for it.

Here are four of the scoring methods i've computed:

1. The shared win - shared loss score.

All the winners share the win, and all the non-winners share the loss. For example, if there were 20 players, and two of them tied for first, then the 18 non-winners would each earn -1/20 = -0.05 for the loss, and the two winners would each get 0.90/2 = +0.45 points for the win (making it a zero-sum metric). This scoring gives roughly equal weight to each game played, regardless of the number of players. Over many games, we sum a player's win-loss shares, and divide by the number of games played to get an average.

2. The number of "chips" won.

This model is like a poker game: everyone antes one chip to play, and the winners split the pot equally. In the previous example, each of the non-winners would net -1 chip, while the winners would net +9 chips each (they gross 10 chips, but it cost them 1 for the ante). That makes it a zero-sum total again, but winning a game with many players counts for more than winning a smaller game. Over many games, we sum the chip totals, and divide by the number of games played to get an average (also known as the "return on investment", or ROI).

3. The percentage of the top score achieved by the winner.

Here we compare the player's score to the top score by the winner (thus, winners earn 100% for that game). Over many games, we sum the percentages, and divide by the number of games played to get an average.

4. The percentage of the best possible score.

Here we compare the player's score to the maximum score possible (i.e. the sum of the top 10 answers). [1] Since 10 unique answers still earns 10 points, i subtract 10 from both totals to get a fraction in the range 0.0 - 1.0. [2] Over many games, we sum the percentages, and divide by the number of games played to get an average.

I do not sort the player rankings by average percentages, because that statistic depends a lot on exactly which games were played. Some wins will achieve 100% of the maximum, while other games have tough categories where the winning percentage might be only 75%, or less.

The average winning percentage was 88.60% over the last 20 games, and has been 93.54% over all 748 games in the archive.

Footnotes:

[1] If no one had a perfect score, then you could argue that the best possible score was actually a little higher. I ignore that and just use the sum of the top 10 answers as the denominator.

[2] Some players managed to score less than 10 (e.g. an incomplete entry), but they do not score below 0.0.

For the averages, a minimum number of games is required, so that statistically meaningless results don't pollute the top of the list. If a player has played less than the minimum number of games, then their totals are divided by the minimum instead of by the actual number of games (i.e. a true Bayesian average). I've chosen a 20-game minimum, because 20 is a common number for statistical thresholds.

For the player rankings, only the players above the zero baseline are shown (roughly the top 20%). There is a natural break at the zero expected value point, just above the many players who have only played one game.

A total of 1529 players have played at least one game of Empathy in the past, and there were 52 participants during the last 20 games. I haven't shown the whole table because i don't want to risk causing any embarrassment to anyone. If you're not on the list, and would like to know your ranking and stats, send me a message and i'll send you the row.

#2 · darse

24 Jan 2012

<br/>  Legend:
<br/><br/>     rank = overall rank among all past participants
<br/>    games = number of games played
<br/>     wins = total wins and shared wins
<br/> win-loss = total win shares minus loss shares
<br/>  w-l_avg = average win shares minus loss shares per game * 100
<br/>    chips = total chips earned over all games played (1-chip ante)
<br/> chip_avg = average chips earned per game (1-chip ante)
<br/>  top_avg = average percentage of the top score achieved
<br/>  max_avg = average percentage of the maximum score possible
<br/> username = player username
<br/><br/><br/>Empathy Player Rankings over the last 20 games,
<br/>  sorted by win-loss average (minimum 20 games)
<br/><br/>rank games  wins win-loss w-l_avg  chips ch_avg top_avg max_avg  username
<br/><br/>   1    8   3.00   +2.66  +13.31    70.00  +3.50  93.97  83.93  drbot
<br/>   2   20   3.00   +2.03  +10.16    47.00  +2.35  84.36  72.63  Elisa Kabiljo
<br/>   3   17   2.50   +1.72   +8.58    32.50  +1.62  80.35  68.75  wojtex
<br/>   4   17   2.00   +1.21   +6.04    30.00  +1.50  69.75  59.99  Finn Th. Nielsen
<br/>   5   12   1.33   +0.81   +4.07    13.67  +0.68  70.31  57.90  keith630
<br/>   6    9   1.00   +0.59   +2.97    10.00  +0.50  73.22  66.18  Barry
<br/>   7   11   1.00   +0.51   +2.55    14.00  +0.70  73.78  61.29  Bill LeBoeuf
<br/>   8   13   1.00   +0.42   +2.08    15.00  +0.75  81.95  70.63  Tom Ace
<br/>   9   14   1.00   +0.35   +1.77     1.00  +0.05  70.67  59.86  somar96
<br/>  10    1   0.33   +0.28   +1.42     5.67  +0.28 100.00  64.44  Randy J.
<br/>  11   15   1.00   +0.26   +1.32     5.00  +0.25  74.18  61.05  nonpharm
<br/>  12   19   1.00   +0.07   +0.35     0.00  +0.00  63.88  50.95  slaapgraag
<br/>  13   20   1.00   +0.03   +0.16    -7.00  -0.35  68.68  56.18  funtobewith11
<br/><br/>  average winning percentage of the maximum score = 88.60 (over 20 games)
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#3 · darse

24 Jan 2012

<br/>Empathy Player Rankings over the last 748 games,
<br/>  sorted by win-loss average (minimum 20 games)
<br/><br/>rank games  wins win-loss w-l_avg  chips ch_avg top_avg max_avg  username
<br/><br/>   1    8   3.00   +2.66  +13.31    70.00  +3.50  93.97  83.93  drbot
<br/>   2  100  13.75  +12.34  +12.34   867.84  +8.68  91.55  86.78  mongoose
<br/>   3   34   3.50   +3.10   +9.12   262.00  +7.71  87.83  79.86  David Scott
<br/>   4   10   2.00   +1.75   +8.76    59.00  +2.95  81.57  76.96  Richard Lorentz
<br/>   5  477  45.05  +36.64   +7.68  2188.70  +4.59  86.78  80.96  Paavo Pirinen
<br/>   6   33   3.38   +2.30   +6.98    69.62  +2.11  73.02  67.34  ladymarius
<br/>   7  174  15.51  +10.66   +6.13   398.56  +2.29  80.81  74.89  pgf
<br/>   8   43   3.00   +2.45   +5.69   191.00  +4.44  76.27  69.86  Tasmanian Devil
<br/>   9   44   3.00   +2.46   +5.60   175.00  +3.98  82.55  77.03  Colin Hoschak II
<br/>  10   27   2.00   +1.50   +5.54    75.00  +2.78  76.84  71.19  Petko
<br/>  11  638  46.42  +31.44   +4.93  1156.70  +1.81  83.93  78.11  Elisa Kabiljo
<br/>  12  135   9.05   +6.61   +4.90   338.97  +2.51  83.72  77.98  movieloverxxl
<br/>  13   66   4.00   +3.22   +4.87   304.00  +4.61  79.00  72.70  Kellen Kooistra
<br/>  14    3   1.00   +0.97   +4.83    77.00  +3.85  80.29  75.37  lore
<br/>  15    6   1.00   +0.92   +4.62    77.00  +3.85  79.11  71.10  Ryan
<br/>  16   15   1.08   +0.91   +4.53    75.83  +3.79  78.41  73.49  Andrew Heath
<br/>  17   28   2.00   +1.27   +4.53    21.00  +0.75  74.03  68.12  aldiris
<br/>  18    9   1.00   +0.90   +4.49    89.00  +4.45  55.28  50.65  Anders H Lindberg
<br/>  19    9   1.00   +0.89   +4.43    86.00  +4.30  72.66  67.49  p_a_k_o
<br/>  20   10   1.00   +0.88   +4.41    72.00  +3.60  76.53  71.38  Grethe
<br/>  21   33   2.00   +1.44   +4.36    93.00  +2.82  76.03  70.24  alda
<br/>  22  203  11.67   +8.83   +4.35   580.35  +2.86  83.91  78.13  Robin
<br/>  23   11   1.00   +0.87   +4.35    87.00  +4.35  80.65  72.89  Reiner Martin
<br/>  24   10   1.00   +0.86   +4.28    47.00  +2.35  80.89  75.53  Carl Worth
<br/>  25  104   5.82   +4.42   +4.25   333.16  +3.20  86.25  80.68  Art Duval
<br/>  26   16   1.00   +0.83   +4.13    92.00  +4.60  83.10  76.03  Antoine
<br/>  27   14   1.00   +0.82   +4.09    49.00  +2.45  74.32  69.43  bimper2007
<br/>  28  187  11.13   +7.63   +4.08   422.81  +2.26  83.03  78.10  glasse
<br/>  29  171   9.46   +6.88   +4.02   388.49  +2.27  82.27  77.10  Thierry Wasserman
<br/>  30   40   2.00   +1.54   +3.86   156.00  +3.90  82.54  75.31  Peter van der Walle
<br/>  31  164   8.40   +6.32   +3.85   542.54  +3.31  82.72  76.85  Pawel Grabowski
<br/>  32   28   1.38   +1.07   +3.82   106.98  +3.82  76.62  70.62  Nathaniel Watson
<br/>  33   19   1.05   +0.75   +3.73    45.11  +2.26  71.63  66.69  Jonas
<br/>  34  492  29.10  +18.35   +3.73   872.18  +1.77  83.29  77.78  FatPhil
<br/>  35    9   1.00   +0.75   +3.73    28.00  +1.40  79.22  72.10  Milla Leskinen
<br/>  36   16   1.00   +0.72   +3.59    45.00  +2.25  81.46  75.70  Darius
<br/>  37   21   1.00   +0.75   +3.57    67.00  +3.19  76.35  70.99  theokratie
<br/>  38   51   3.25   +1.82   +3.57    75.50  +1.48  79.39  73.43  saimon
<br/>  39   17   1.22   +0.71   +3.54    28.24  +1.41  85.53  81.37  royalflush
<br/>  40   36   2.11   +1.27   +3.54    47.67  +1.32  78.92  73.87  Foul Ole Ron
<br/>  41   15   1.00   +0.70   +3.49    24.00  +1.20  83.37  77.15  Frank!!
<br/>  42  285  18.79   +9.78   +3.43   272.11  +0.95  83.88  77.00  wojtex
<br/>  43   12   1.08   +0.68   +3.41    21.38  +1.07  68.87  61.73  Ericos
<br/>  44   12   1.00   +0.68   +3.38    25.00  +1.25  86.91  80.18  Sepe Ahtosalo
<br/>  45  114   6.53   +3.85   +3.38   171.80  +1.51  79.93  73.88  Charlo
<br/>  46   22   1.00   +0.74   +3.35    58.00  +2.64  69.60  65.79  forgret
<br/>  47   51   3.11   +1.69   +3.32    70.67  +1.39  77.25  72.75  dgreene11235
<br/>  48   20   1.00   +0.66   +3.30    41.00  +2.05  72.14  64.83  Benjamin Hellouin
<br/>  49   67   3.06   +2.21   +3.30   199.50  +2.98  87.76  81.50  Bryan
<br/>  50   50   2.32   +1.63   +3.26   107.63  +2.15  87.45  83.06  Svraka
<br/>

#4 · darse

24 Jan 2012

<br/>  51   22   1.00   +0.66   +2.99    68.00  +3.09  81.53  75.67  Dvd Avins
<br/>  52  557  30.20  +16.55   +2.97   562.91  +1.01  78.84  72.93  slaapgraag
<br/>  53  238  10.26   +7.01   +2.95   581.70  +2.44  84.99  79.87  Ed Collins
<br/>  54   89   4.50   +2.58   +2.90   198.50  +2.23  81.46  74.24  Szandor
<br/>  55   39   2.00   +1.13   +2.89    59.00  +1.51  79.28  73.29  Schaapmans
<br/>  56   16   1.00   +0.57   +2.85    17.00  +0.85  84.76  79.41  Jonatan Rydh
<br/>  57   84   3.88   +2.38   +2.83   177.45  +2.11  75.12  71.33  lauro
<br/>  58   24   1.00   +0.67   +2.80    38.00  +1.58  73.40  68.37  mslano
<br/>  59   42   2.00   +1.16   +2.76    55.00  +1.31  56.43  50.21  Johann Snyman
<br/>  60   26   1.00   +0.70   +2.71    68.00  +2.62  75.52  67.87  tony z.
<br/>  61   67   4.33   +1.77   +2.64    52.67  +0.79  71.36  61.34  nemrac
<br/>  62   52   2.87   +1.36   +2.62    42.22  +0.81  74.65  69.34  kfiecio
<br/>  63  284  10.80   +7.05   +2.48   567.14  +2.00  79.20  73.72  anwi
<br/>  64   30   1.08   +0.74   +2.48    46.83  +1.56  61.73  56.12  Piotr Karas
<br/>  65   24   1.00   +0.59   +2.46    31.00  +1.29  63.97  58.14  Brancas
<br/>  66   64   2.25   +1.50   +2.34   109.75  +1.71  74.75  67.77  BIG BAD WOLF
<br/>  67  370  15.87   +8.43   +2.28   489.32  +1.32  79.86  74.51  MichaeI X
<br/>  68   44   1.50   +0.98   +2.23    88.00  +2.00  81.26  74.57  Trevor Green
<br/>  69  536  25.70  +11.92   +2.22   446.62  +0.83  81.18  75.01  MarleysGhost
<br/>  70   55   2.00   +1.22   +2.22    66.00  +1.20  76.51  72.33  Timo Laitinen
<br/>  71  321  12.49   +6.82   +2.13   382.31  +1.19  79.84  74.38  Jaakko Pirinen
<br/>  72   27   1.08   +0.56   +2.09    18.17  +0.67  84.74  78.80  Ola Mikael Hansson
<br/>  73   31   1.00   +0.64   +2.06    56.00  +1.81  77.37  70.10  Woff
<br/>  74   45   1.50   +0.92   +2.04    77.50  +1.72  76.57  69.71  Marco (DeSangre)
<br/>  75   32   1.00   +0.64   +1.99    73.00  +2.28  71.38  66.46  j
<br/>  76  281   9.53   +5.53   +1.97   388.23  +1.38  77.56  72.31  unsusto
<br/>  77   32   1.00   +0.62   +1.93    70.00  +2.19  71.59  64.75  George
<br/>  78    4   0.50   +0.38   +1.88    12.50  +0.62  72.36  67.15  mirror_man2
<br/>  79  176   6.17   +3.27   +1.86   198.93  +1.13  81.58  76.62  Xander (xandern .BSW)
<br/>  80   33   1.00   +0.61   +1.86    55.00  +1.67  64.57  58.73  jaz
<br/>  81   66   2.00   +1.17   +1.78    90.00  +1.36  63.95  58.96  daisy
<br/>  82   16   1.00   +0.35   +1.76     9.00  +0.45  62.37  50.84  Bill LeBoeuf
<br/>  83   12   0.50   +0.35   +1.74    28.00  +1.40  65.94  61.76  I'm back
<br/>  84  142   6.23   +2.45   +1.73   100.76  +0.71  73.39  67.55  blargdragon
<br/>  85   35   1.00   +0.58   +1.67    29.00  +0.83  77.80  72.92  Francois
<br/>  86   10   0.50   +0.33   +1.66    21.00  +1.05  67.50  64.50  Peter Koning
<br/>  87  106   3.00   +1.66   +1.57   102.00  +0.96  72.81  67.30  Pleasance
<br/>  88  110   3.50   +1.70   +1.55    89.00  +0.81  71.29  65.23  Ahmed al-Faqi
<br/>  89   38   1.00   +0.56   +1.48    57.00  +1.50  72.89  66.17  Richard
<br/>  90  384  11.77   +5.65   +1.47   388.55  +1.01  82.60  76.88  passenger
<br/>  91  153   4.91   +2.24   +1.46   169.69  +1.11  79.44  74.20  sean_henderson
<br/>  92   40   1.05   +0.58   +1.45    44.65  +1.12  63.76  58.08  Kendra Powell
<br/>  93  166   5.00   +2.15   +1.30    91.00  +0.55  80.13  75.03  meanguy
<br/>  94  182   5.39   +2.20   +1.21    41.88  +0.23  71.94  66.55  James A. Cook (Falsifian)
<br/>  95   32   1.05   +0.37   +1.16    14.65  +0.46  72.49  68.36  maraca
<br/>  96   59   1.40   +0.69   +1.16    52.17  +0.88  83.23  76.56  magicode
<br/>  97   43   1.00   +0.48   +1.11    47.00  +1.09  65.00  60.46  diosmalos
<br/>  98   44   1.00   +0.47   +1.06    29.00  +0.66  69.18  62.92  Hibernator
<br/>  99   47   1.00   +0.46   +0.97    42.00  +0.89  63.45  58.07  Yvonne
<br/> 100   44   1.00   +0.43   +0.97    15.00  +0.34  78.32  72.82  LV
<br/>

#5 · darse

24 Jan 2012

<br/> 101   35   1.02   +0.33   +0.93    -2.16  -0.06  72.20  68.29  metaldragon
<br/> 102   43   1.00   +0.37   +0.85    -2.00  -0.05  67.19  63.47  NotMasclins
<br/> 103  103   2.33   +0.84   +0.81    83.67  +0.81  63.20  57.56  Patrick Moore
<br/> 104   48   1.00   +0.37   +0.77    53.00  +1.10  87.03  82.39  michael
<br/> 105   90   2.05   +0.69   +0.76    55.11  +0.61  69.19  63.82  kuikka
<br/> 106  366   8.40   +2.56   +0.70   267.96  +0.73  75.65  70.55  euhuang
<br/> 107   61   2.00   +0.42   +0.69    17.00  +0.28  76.13  70.29  Phil The Hat
<br/> 108  355   8.12   +2.38   +0.67   176.67  +0.50  77.01  71.93  kpato
<br/> 109  158   3.00   +1.03   +0.65    89.50  +0.57  75.72  69.70  Rick Landis
<br/> 110   82   1.55   +0.51   +0.63    58.65  +0.72  75.65  70.32  Matthias
<br/> 111  114   2.08   +0.69   +0.60    50.92  +0.45  73.02  67.05  Syl
<br/> 112  149   5.26   +0.81   +0.55    28.97  +0.19  79.82  73.87  Orbilin
<br/> 113    1   0.12   +0.10   +0.51     4.62  +0.23 100.00 100.00  neilh23
<br/> 114   53   1.04   +0.26   +0.49    33.41  +0.63  73.73  68.27  ishida
<br/> 115  247   5.17   +1.15   +0.47   185.23  +0.75  78.21  72.49  Dustin
<br/> 116  115   2.00   +0.52   +0.46    -2.50  -0.02  67.68  61.82  Fez
<br/> 117   62   1.00   +0.28   +0.45    31.00  +0.50  74.02  67.75  Henrik Sjøl
<br/> 118   92   1.69   +0.41   +0.44    26.28  +0.29  76.39  71.55  Belen B
<br/> 119   52   1.00   +0.22   +0.43    41.00  +0.79  60.99  56.32  Robert Irvin
<br/> 120   48   1.75   +0.20   +0.42    17.75  +0.37  78.22  70.01  Tom Ace
<br/> 121   63   1.05   +0.26   +0.41    20.65  +0.33  82.87  76.54  Salla
<br/> 122   74   1.65   +0.30   +0.41    25.42  +0.34  79.25  73.71  Mathias
<br/> 123  146   2.55   +0.57   +0.39    47.53  +0.33  62.45  58.00  Michal Piszczalka(piszczyk)
<br/> 124  349   6.34   +1.33   +0.38   123.61  +0.35  71.40  66.15  Sheila
<br/> 125  248   5.15   +0.89   +0.36    83.51  +0.34  76.28  70.56  Jeppe Snell
<br/> 126  118   2.00   +0.40   +0.34    58.00  +0.49  59.71  55.00  Anton Maslo
<br/> 127  322   9.42   +1.06   +0.33    61.80  +0.19  72.91  66.49  Hjallti
<br/> 128  104   3.75   +0.33   +0.32    13.56  +0.13  70.58  63.29  omike
<br/> 129   69   1.12   +0.21   +0.31     8.58  +0.12  63.10  58.33  YSC
<br/> 130  270   5.55   +0.79   +0.29    49.95  +0.18  74.03  68.83  Ricardo (Santos)
<br/> 131   99   1.50   +0.25   +0.25    35.00  +0.35  67.66  61.48  Hartmut
<br/> 132   68   1.00   +0.14   +0.20    18.00  +0.26  76.84  71.00  wandu
<br/> 133   19   0.25   +0.04   +0.20     2.75  +0.14  68.15  61.95  pulsifer
<br/> 134   29   1.00   +0.06   +0.20     3.00  +0.10  64.98  57.75  gothnerd
<br/> 135   79   1.12   +0.16   +0.20    20.38  +0.26  75.31  69.59  Zoria
<br/> 136  379   6.59   +0.73   +0.19    92.44  +0.24  78.00  72.63  Bill Collins
<br/> 137  146   2.40   +0.25   +0.17   -63.82  -0.44  73.05  68.20  Ray Garrison
<br/> 138   63   1.04   +0.10   +0.16   -18.25  -0.29  65.39  60.96  Gregorlo
<br/> 139   22   0.62   +0.02   +0.11     0.00  +0.00  83.88  78.52  Hurricane_Power
<br/> 140    4   0.09   +0.02   +0.08     1.64  +0.08  77.28  74.36  rodrigo
<br/> 141  231   5.09   +0.15   +0.06    10.64  +0.05  78.36  73.33  Micco
<br/> 142  370  10.24   +0.23   +0.06   -19.37  -0.05  73.80  67.48  Paul Gautherot
<br/> 143  348   6.60   +0.19   +0.05    27.46  +0.08  77.29  71.61  klaashaas
<br/> 144   78   1.04   +0.04   +0.05   -26.59  -0.34  63.02  57.50  MeanRat
<br/> 145  101   1.56   +0.02   +0.02    36.50  +0.36  67.29  62.27  t0mski
<br/> 146   11   0.33   -0.00   -0.00    -0.67  -0.03  81.46  75.30  JeanHebert
<br/> 147   40   1.25   -0.01   -0.02    -0.75  -0.02  71.89  63.94  Burton
<br/> 148    3   0.04   -0.01   -0.03    -0.25  -0.01  77.68  74.66  vrede
<br/>

#6 · darse

24 Jan 2012

<br/>  average winning percentage of the maximum score = 93.54 (over 748 games)
<br/>

#7 · darse

2 Feb 2012

Here is an up-to-date "golf scorecard" for the last 18 games.

This one is a little different from mongoose's golf scorecard. If a player didn't play in a game, they are given a last-place rank (i.e. number of players in that game plus one), instead of "infinity". Only the top 22 players are listed here.

Does anyone care about these stats?

<br/>Finishes over the last 18 games:
<br/><br/>  maximum rank:  16  21  21  22  26  17  20  27  32  29  20  22  27  24  21  23  24  28
<br/><br/>Rank  Sum  Back9          Rank for each game:
<br/>                  1   2   3   4   5   6   7   8   9  10  11  12  13  14  15  16  17  18
<br/><br/>   1  107   56    4   4   2   1   7   5  13   5  10  17  11   2   1   1   1   6  10   7   Elisa Kabiljo
<br/>   2  137   59   16   5   5   1  26   1   3   6  15  11  10  14   1   3   1   3   1  15   wojtex
<br/>   3  145   81   13  14   3   7   9   2  10   4   2  12  12   7  15  10  10   2  12   1   Hjallti
<br/>   4  163   84   12  12   9   6   5  17   5  11   2   7   9   5   9   9   4   9  13  19   MarleysGhost
<br/>   5  178   33   16  21  21  22  26  17  20   1   1   2   7   1   3   5   6   3   3   3   drbot
<br/>   6  181   79    9   1   4  10  13   7  14  21  23   3  13   8   5  14   9  18   5   4   nemrac
<br/>   7  196   87   16   5   5  13  12  12  17   8  21  14   7   3  18  10   8  19   2   6   Yoti
<br/>   8  215  114    2   9  16   4  18  11  12  17  12   9  16   5  20   4  14  12  16  18   funtobewith11
<br/>   9  222  122   16  21   8  22   2   3   8   6  14   1   3  12  22   8   5  23  20  28   Tom Ace
<br/>  10  226   99   15  10  20   3  23   6   7  27  16  22   1  13  17  21  13   3   7   2   slaapgraag
<br/>  11  231  111   16   5  11  22   1  10  20  27   8  26  20  17  10   5  10   8   3  12   Bill LeBoeuf
<br/>  12  232  127   16   1  21  11  16  17   1   3  19   3   6  15   4  20  21  23  24  11   keith630
<br/>  13  237  126    4  17  19   9  14   7  20  13   8  28   4  22  14   7  12  15   7  17   Finn Th. Nielsen
<br/>  14  262  133   16  21  18  22   4  13   9  10  16  12  18  11   8  16  17  20  15  16   lrreiche
<br/>  15  269  126    8  18  12  15  24  15  10  25  16  18  15   3  20   1  21  17  17  14   Dasher
<br/>  16  272  192    7  14   1  12   6   3  18  15   4   6  17  22  27  24  21  23  24  28   nonpharm
<br/>  17  279  124    6  10  10  19  26  17  14  22  31  18  13  15  12  14  18  10  14  10   Dionysos
<br/>  18  279  199    1   8  14   8  15   9   2  13  10  24  20  22  16  24  21  21  24  27   somar96
<br/>  19  306  124   16  21  21  22  26  17  14  16  29  23   2   9   7  18  14   7  18  26   thomsen nielsen
<br/>  20  311  167   14  13  15  21  19  14   4  19  25  21  19  20  23  23   7  12  21  21   roxann
<br/>  21  312  139   16  21  17  20   8  17  20  27  27  25  20  17   6  12  21  23   7   8   blitzkrieg_
<br/>  22  315  161    3  19  21  18  21  17  19  17  19  27   5  22  13  22  20   1  23  28   ypercube
<br/>

#8 · slaapgraag

2 Feb 2012

Yeah, nice work. To be honest, I care most about the golfcard, actually. (Lat-place rank is an improvement). Now I need to put a little extra work on emapthy now! ;-)

#9 · Elisa Kabiljo

2 Feb 2012

I like statistic. When I started to play Empathy, at first I played only some interesting games. Mongoose statistic was main reason for me to play every game, and then I got addicted.

Now main problem with empathy is small number of players - only 39 in last 7 games. Game is more interesting when there is lot of players. Also first 10 places from 30 players don't have same weight as first 10 places from 100 players. If yours statistic can attract more players to Empathy, it will be great. If you know some other ways to attract more players, it will be great too.

nice work

#10 · darse

8 Feb 2012

I have no idea if this will work not, but i'll give it a try...

I modified the program to spit out a bunch of HTML code, hoping that it will produce a golf scorecard table, in a style similar to the Little Golem tournament crosstables. Here goes nuthin':

Empathy finishes over the last 18 games

Empathy finishes over the last 18 games

Empathy finishes over the last 18 games

Finish date: February 6, 2012212226172027322920222724212324282524maximum rankRankSumBack9123456789101112131415161718Player Name11013021751351017112111610711Elisa Kabiljo2142645126136151110141313115251wojtex31432621222617201127135633311drbot4148779651751127959949131945MarleysGhost515897379210421212715101021212317Hjallti

[cringe]

#11 · darse

8 Feb 2012

Well, that sucks. :-/

It looked fine on my browser preview, but now the header has gone mad.

It also rejects the post if it is any larger than 5 rows. I'll play with it tomorrow and see if i can do better...

#12 · darse

8 Feb 2012

Meanwhile, may as well finish showing the current top 10 with this broken version.

Empathy finishes over the last 18 games

Empathy finishes over the last 18 games

Finish date: February 6, 2012212226172027322920222724212324282524maximum rankRankSumBack9123456789101112131415161718Player Name618880410137142123313851491854314nemrac719081513121217821147318108192678Yoti81961298222386141312228523202865Tom Ace92301151641811121712916520414121618224funtobewith111023110620323672716221131721133721218slaapgraag

#13 · darse

8 Feb 2012

And here are some stats on the top players over the past 50 games (this time in glorious plain text!).

This list is sorted by the average _percentage of the winning score_ (using a true Bayesian average toward the mean if the player has less than 20 games). All three metrics give pretty similar rankings, and the top spot is the same for all of them... (That would be, erm... me :-)

<br/>Empathy Player Rankings over the last 50 games,
<br/>  sorted by average percentage of the top score (minimum 20 games)
<br/><br/>  Legend:
<br/><br/>     rank = overall rank among all past participants
<br/>    games = number of games played
<br/>     wins = total wins and shared wins
<br/> win-loss = total win shares minus loss shares
<br/>  w-l_avg = average win shares minus loss shares per game * 100
<br/>    chips = total chips earned over all games played (1-chip ante)
<br/> chip_avg = average chips earned per game (1-chip ante)
<br/>  top_avg = average percentage of the top score achieved
<br/>  max_avg = average percentage of the maximum score possible
<br/> username = player username
<br/><br/>rank games  wins win-loss w-l_avg  chips ch_avg top_avg max_avg  username
<br/><br/>   1   13   3.83   +3.28  +16.42    84.67  +4.23  94.86  86.16  drbot
<br/>   2   45   8.70   +6.93  +15.39   190.13  +4.23  85.80  75.89  wojtex
<br/>   3   50   7.45   +5.41  +10.83   151.38  +3.03  85.26  75.69  Elisa Kabiljo
<br/>   4   48   5.54   +3.59   +7.48   108.83  +2.27  83.42  73.32  MarleysGhost
<br/>   5   28   1.50   +0.36   +1.30    16.00  +0.57  81.25  70.90  Tom Ace
<br/>   6    5   0.08   -0.08   -0.40    -2.62  -0.13  91.84  88.44  passenger
<br/>   7   38   1.62   +0.12   +0.32    -5.78  -0.15  74.60  64.48  somar96
<br/>   8   10   0.04   -0.26   -1.31    -8.17  -0.41  78.06  69.89  klaashaas
<br/>   9   10   0.50   +0.09   +0.43     3.00  +0.15  78.05  66.59  saimon
<br/>  10   49   3.33   +1.34   +2.73    40.67  +0.83  74.41  64.21  nemrac
<br/>  11   47   1.29   -0.66   -1.40   -10.92  -0.23  74.31  63.93  Hjallti
<br/>  12    5   0.54   +0.40   +1.98    11.83  +0.59  82.99  75.30  Got Twixt
<br/>  13   21   1.37   +0.66   +3.13    15.47  +0.74  73.57  66.90  Jos
<br/>  14   18   0.00   -0.74   -3.70   -18.00  -0.90  73.53  64.36  Paul Gautherot
<br/>  15    6   0.54   +0.36   +1.81    10.83  +0.54  78.43  69.71  Aaron Coombs
<br/>  16    5   0.04   -0.10   -0.52    -3.17  -0.16  79.63  72.37  zwack
<br/>  17    4   0.00   -0.12   -0.60    -4.00  -0.20  81.46  73.45  Robert Mathew
<br/>  18    4   0.04   -0.08   -0.38    -2.17  -0.11  81.00  71.19  sean_henderson
<br/>  19    4   0.00   -0.12   -0.62    -4.00  -0.20  80.59  72.08  damasceno
<br/>  20    2   0.00   -0.05   -0.27    -2.00  -0.10  89.42  88.36  narayan
<br/>  21   45   2.00   +0.14   +0.30    -4.00  -0.09  72.76  62.07  slaapgraag
<br/>  22    2   0.04   -0.01   -0.07    -0.17  -0.01  85.71  79.41  Stella Chui
<br/>  23    1   0.33   +0.28   +1.42     5.67  +0.28 100.00  64.44  Randy J.
<br/>  24    1   0.04   +0.02   +0.09     0.83  +0.04 100.00 100.00  Ray Garrison
<br/>  25    1   0.04   +0.02   +0.09     0.83  +0.04 100.00 100.00  Antonio
<br/>

#14 · MarleysGhost

8 Feb 2012

There must be a way to post more than 5 rows as a table. RoRoRo does it when he posts ratings-based probabilities of winning a championship.

#15 · Aganju

9 Feb 2012

About the head issue: when you post a table, the page collects all line breaks (the br stuff) from all cells, and places them all before the table itself. Don't ask me why.

Just enter the table without line breaks.

#16 · Aganju

9 Feb 2012

My player page also has more than five lines in atable. It does work.

#17 · darse

9 Feb 2012

Thanks Aganju. I was being lazy, just copying RoRoRo's template; but the quick 'n dirty approach was too dirty, and not very quick either... ;-p

I'm generating a much leaner table now (less formatting fluff), so hopefully the next update will look a little better.

[Also, RoRoRo is a full member, and might have more generous posting limits.]

#18 · darse

10 Feb 2012

Okay, trying for a new level of fail... :-)

Empathy finishes over the last 18 games

Last updated: February 9, 2012

For expression: "star wars"

#19 · darse

10 Feb 2012

RankPlayer NameSumBk91234567891011121314151617181Elisa Kabiljo10029175135101711211161071112drbot1232622261720112713563331113wojtex1385112613615111014131311525114MarleysGhost1437665175112795994913194545Hjallti17511079210421212715101021212317206nemrac1917910137142123313851491854314760maximum rank431216222617202732292022272421232428252420

#20 · darse

10 Feb 2012

RankPlayer NameSumBk91234567891011121314151617187Tom Ace19512422238614131222852320286578Yoti1999213121217821147318108192678149slaapgraag2311133236727162211317211337212182010funtobewith11232128418111217129165204141216182241811Bill LeBoeuf24190221102027826201710510831211151612Finn Th. Nielsen24211791472013828422147121571719161013lrreiche242127224139101612181181617201516991714Dasher2561151524151025161815320121171714127615keith630261170111617131936154202123241125222060maximum rank431216222617202732292022272421232428252420

#21 · darse

10 Feb 2012

RankPlayer NameSumBk912345678910111213141516171816Dionysos2921171926171422311813151214181014108191217thomsen nielsen2961382226171416292329718147182616122018blitzkrieg_3091282081720272725201761221237821102019nonpharm3192161263181546172227242123242825242020somar9632520281592131024202216242121242725242021ypercube328163182117191719275221322201232824131922roxann329167211914419252119202323712212117232060maximum rank431216222617202732292022272421232428252420

#22 · darse

10 Feb 2012

Still struggling with the size...

The first table is larger because the game numbers have hover-over tags and links to the corresponding game. I assume that is worthwhile?

#25 · MarleysGhost

10 Feb 2012

IMHO, just having a current golf card is sufficient.

Is drbot's play in GoE fully automated?

#26 · darse

10 Feb 2012

No, for Empathy drbot is mostly me, although i have done some scripting to process Google results as a "bag of words". (Not especially useful it turns out -- that's how i came up with the Nobel Prize committee (1) lemon).

My policy is that any computer-assisted games go under drbot (e.g. human/computer centaur, drei-hirn, etc.). Empathy is an edge case, but since i started the first game with drbot, i've just continued to use it for that. This way i can use an algorithm for certain categories with a clear conscience. If the expression is ever "coolest 20-digit prime numbers", i'll be all over it! :)

#27 · darse

13 Feb 2012

Congrats to MarleysGhost on a nice win, with a perfect top-10 score!

That moves MG up to 3rd place on the golf scorecard. I'm closing in on Elisa for the top spot, with three non-games still to be swapped out (i've played 15 games so far).

Please see the drbot player profile (link above) for a more complete table.

Empathy finishes over the last 18 games ("golf scorecard")

Last updated: February 12, 2012

For the expression: "favorite beverage"

#28 · darse

13 Feb 2012

RankPlayer NameSumBk91234567891011121314151617181Elisa Kabiljo10332751351017112111610711142drbot104262617201127135633311133MarleysGhost1386851751127959949131945414wojtex1435626136151110141313115251165Tom Ace18711623861413122285232028657146Hjallti195122921042121271510102121231720277Yoti1978512121782114731810819267814118nemrac19992137142123313851491854314718

#29 · darse

13 Feb 2012

RankPlayer NameSumBk91234567891011121314151617189Bill LeBoeuf2218211020278262017105108312111516210lrreiche233132413910161218118161720151699171311funtobewith11237117181112171291652041412161822418912slaapgraag25111923672716221131721133721218202313Dasher2571112415102516181532012117171412761614Finn Th. Nielsen258128147201382842214712157171916102515keith630277193161713193615420212324112522202716Dionysos278110261714223118131512141810141081912562maximum rank436216261720273229202227242123242825242027

#30 · darse

13 Feb 2012

RankPlayer NameSumBk912345678910111213141516171817thomsen nielsen3011582617141629232971814718261612202718blitzkrieg_3131468172027272520176122123782110202419ypercube324164211719171927522132220123282413191420roxann327163191441925211920232371221211723201921nonpharm3342166318154617222724212324282524202762maximum rank436216261720273229202227242123242825242027

#31 · darse

16 Feb 2012

Congrats to MarleysGhost for a second consecutive clear win!

And welcome back to stevo.h, whose last game of Empathy was more than three years ago. No signs of rust, as he finished in a strong third place!

This was a tough category. The top answer, "dollar", was chosen by only 14 of the 23 players, and the top ten answers comprised only 40% of all answers. [That might be an interesting stat to add to the game summaries, as a measure of how "spread out" the answers were...]

On the golf card, i muscled into the top spot, and wojtex moved into third, as we both swapped out a 26-point "did-not-play".

Empathy finishes over the last 18 games ("golf scorecard")

Last updated: February 15, 2012

For the expression: "names for money"

#32 · darse

16 Feb 2012

RankPlayer NameSumBk91234567891011121314151617181drbot8023172011271356333111322Elisa Kabiljo10439513510171121116107111483wojtex126621361511101413131152511694MarleysGhost1346017511279599491319454115Yoti191811217821147318108192678141166Tom Ace197120386141312228523202865714127nemrac203957142123313851491854314718178Hjallti210136210421212715101021212317202724

#33 · darse

16 Feb 2012

RankPlayer NameSumBk91234567891011121314151617189slaapgraag2351056727162211317211337212182023710Bill LeBoeuf23895102027826201710510831211151621811funtobewith11238132111217129165204141216182241891912Dasher2451221510251618153201211717141276161213Finn Th. Nielsen24812572013828422147121571719161025414lrreiche2501371391016121811816172015169917132115Dionysos274118171422311813151214181014108191252216keith630285197171319361542021232411252220272417thomsen nielsen2991641714162923297181471826161220272418blitzkrieg_31514417202727252017612212378211020241019roxann322154144192521192023237122121172320191420ypercube326165171917192752213222012328241319142362maximum rank434216172027322920222724212324282524202724

#34 · slaapgraag

17 Feb 2012

Well, no more 'empathy for fun'. Now darse managed the new golfcard, it's gonna be 'hardcore GOE'....

#35 · darse

17 Feb 2012

But you're already at the top of the table...

Oh, you mean you're going to go for the *first* table? ;-)

#36 · darse

19 Feb 2012

The latest game was pretty tough, but not among the toughest (outside the top 50).

<br/>game plrs  1s  1pp  Ws  top_an  top10 top/max       category / expression  [ winner ]
<br/> 758  25   83  3.32  1   72.00  34.00  85.33                           go  [ drbot ]
<br/>

72% of players had the top answer (game), but only 44% of players had the second

most common answer (stone). There was an average of 3.3 unique answers per player.

It seems that players either went with "go" as a verb, or went with "go" as a game,

without much mixing between the two. I started with leave (8) and away (7), but

soon rejected all of the verb associations (assuming the LG bias toward the game

would be huge). I was totally wrong, but still managed to come out on top!

For the golf scorecard, my back-9 tally is a fairly decent 18 (18 under par:).

For the round, i have a score of 44 as i stroll onto the 18th tee...

@Tiger: eat your heart out. :-)

Empathy finishes over the last 18 games ("golf scorecard")

Last updated: February 18, 2012

For the expression: "go"

#37 · darse

19 Feb 2012

RankPlayer NameSumBk91234567891011121314151617181drbot641820112713563331113212Elisa Kabiljo10847135101711211161071114893MarleysGhost119585112795994913194541124wojtex130663615111014131311525116955Yoti18175178211473181081926781411626Tom Ace202123861413122285232028657141287nemrac203931421233138514918543147181778slaapgraag2339672716221131721133721218202374

#38 · darse

19 Feb 2012

RankPlayer NameSumBk91234567891011121314151617189Hjallti234152104212127151010212123172027242610Bill LeBoeuf24198202782620171051083121115162181311Dasher2451161025161815320121171714127616121512Finn Th. Nielsen24611820138284221471215717191610254513lrreiche2511349101612181181617201516991713211414funtobewith11252143121712916520414121618224189192515Dionysos274117142231181315121418101410819125221716keith630286194131936154202123241125222027241817thomsen nielsen3081761416292329718147182616122027242618blitzkrieg_32214720272725201761221237821102024102419roxann328167419252119202323712212117232019142020ypercube329165191719275221322201232824131914232062maximum rank443221202732292022272421232428252420272426

#39 · slaapgraag

20 Feb 2012

....and back to the top box! Elisa, watch out! I'll be back... ;-)

#40 · Elisa Kabiljo

20 Feb 2012

Now, I'm not one to compare with. You have to compare with drbot!

#41 · darse

22 Feb 2012

Five winners in the repeat category (game #507), including previous

winners Elisa and wojtex, but not including previous winner slaapgraag.

Previous participant funtobewith11 also improved to first place, by

naming the 10 (Latin genus) classifications for "types of clouds".

Personally, i would have preferred things like fluffy (2), dark (3),

and storm (6), but that wasn't where the money was.

I complete the "round" with a final tally of 45, including 16 on the

back-9, but the accomplishment is eroded by the repeated expressions

(some of which i failed to notice).

Empathy finishes over the last 18 games ("golf scorecard")

Last updated: February 21, 2012

For the expression: "types of clouds"

#42 · darse

22 Feb 2012

RankPlayer NameSumBk91234567891011121314151617181drbot45161127135633311132112Elisa Kabiljo964251017112111610711148913wojtex128646151110141313115251169514MarleysGhost1306511279599491319454112165Yoti17668821147318108192678141162126nemrac199852123313851491854314718177107Tom Ace2051116141312228523202865714128118Bill LeBoeuf2381072782620171051083121115162181317

#43 · darse

22 Feb 2012

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#44 · slaapgraag

22 Feb 2012

yeah, i knew this was a repeat, but I havn't figured out how to find the answers on the games not listed on 'past games' (not knowing the #number). I just copied the first 10 wiki-names. Got me 10 points :-(

#45 · darse

22 Feb 2012

To get the game number, just search for the expression on the list of previous topics that i posted (or on mongoose's "time machine" list). Then go to that LG previous game page, editing the end of the URL to insert the right game number. (Older games aren't linked to on the past 60 games page, but the pages do exist).

#46 · MarleysGhost

22 Feb 2012

> the list of previous topics that i posted

Where was that posted, again?