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#1 · na_wspak

27 Nov 2011

Yet another change in championship tournament without any warning or information. I don't belive 7-base board is good for numeric WYPS. The first move's influence on the result is much higher. And giving 7 stones at the beginning is also a misunderstandig to me. If a first (well, second to be precise) player uses his 6 stones on his very first move, he can obtain a big advantage. The game is shallower and less interesting than 10-base board games.

I am considering resigning all games on my first move. I am not against changes. Changes are good if they improve the game and make it more fun, playable, exciting, luck-less-dependent.

I don't like the changes being made on numeric WYPS so often and without an info nor voting.

1st champ was 'classic' 10-based

2nd champ was 'line' 10-based

3rd champ was 'line' 10-based

4th champ was 'classic' 10-based

5th champ was 'classic' 10-based

6th champ was 'new' 10-based

7th champ are 'nem' 7-based

4 changes in 7 tourneys. Only one voted.

#2 · Ray Garrison

27 Nov 2011

I agree! Changes in championships should at least be announced in advance, and I also agree that this new smaller board is a big mistake. Richard, If you want to add a new variation, that is wondeful, but the championship should be the larger sized board, in my opinion. I thought the variation used in championship 6 was the best numeric wyps to date. It was a very good game, so why change it?

#3 · Ray Garrison

27 Nov 2011

Also, where are the rules for this new version?

#4 · FatPhil

27 Nov 2011

I agree that the championship should generally be representative of the pinacle of each game. So generally that would mean the larger board size (and in particular in wyps numeric's case), and the 'deepest' variant of the rules. I've not played the game enough to know exactly which variant that would be, but I'm sure the collective input of the gurus on LG can provide that insight.

#5 · FatPhil

27 Nov 2011

I just pulled up a board - I can't believe 7 isn't a mistake. I'll not play any moves, so that the tournament can be redrawn as a 10-based one without anyone saying I was benefitting from the change. (Assuming it is changed - pretty please, Richard!)

#6 · Richard Malaschitz

27 Nov 2011

I am sorry. It is my mistake. I want add a new numeric version played on smaller board, and instead of add a new version I replace old version. This version has the same rules, but is maybe too small. Probable best size for numeric version is 8 or 9.

#7 · na_wspak

27 Nov 2011

I think the size 10 is best for champs because of:

- using whole range of digit numbers,

- tradition - all previous variants were played on 10-based boards, we get used to it,

- games last for 25 moves aproximately, which is not too short but still dynamic; if we reduce the size we reduce the total move number to, let's say, 15 - does it merit to champs?

I do not negate other sizes. I am sure that playig 7-based WYPS numeric would be fun. But not in champs.

I always assumed that champs are tourneys with a prestige. 7-based is not a prestige to me at all.

#8 · Nevermind

27 Nov 2011

I also vote for canceling this championship. Championships should be played on larger boards and we can experiment with new variants in lesser tournaments.

And, in general, introducing any new variant of any game should be preceded by assessing and discussing the possible consequences for at least two weeks.

#9 · Richard Malaschitz

28 Nov 2011

I cancel and restart championship. User tournament numeric wyps #4 will start on small board.

#11 · Ray Garrison

28 Nov 2011

Actually, I have changed my user tournament (numeric wyps #4) back to a full board version.

numeric wyps #4 (full board) double round robin, begins Dec. 1

I have also created a new smaller numeric wyps tournament:

Numeric small #1 double round robin, begins Dec. 5

#12 · Nevermind

29 Nov 2011

Thanks, Richard, for canceling it!

So what move should we make now in wyps.cv.nb.7.1.1?

#13 · na_wspak

30 Nov 2011

We should play and have fun.

#14 · Paradoxx

1 Dec 2011

There is no full agreement on this: only Clint, FatPhil, and klaashaas started to play really in the group.

#15 · klaashaas

1 Dec 2011

You can add anthony and na_wspak to the list

#18 · Paradoxx

1 Dec 2011

All right, so it is not a seven cell based board after all, but ten. So I'll start my games immediately.

#19 · Hjallti

13 Dec 2011

I also would like the championship in wyps numeric classic... I want them both