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Championship 25

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Twixt

#1 · CSM

10 Jul 2010

Why isn't anyone commenting on this tournament? Is the political climate too depressing?

#2 · David J Bush

10 Jul 2010

Maybe Twixt takes all our free time and there's none left for talking about it :-) Korubko beat me so baaaad.

#3 · CSM

10 Jul 2010

Yah, he kicked my ___! But I'm giving tasuki a tough time and I can't finish last, so I guess I'm happy :-/

#4 · Zandor

10 Jul 2010

And I feel so wrong of being in the first league. What am I doing here?

#5 · Aganju

10 Jul 2010

@David J Bush:

I'm so lost in games on that level... what if black plays T14? (instead of 'resign')

Is white's win so obvious? well, I don't see it.

#6 · David J Bush

10 Jul 2010

I posted an answer on the servegame site. In brief, 32.T14 33.K17! is a nasty shot. This shot is possible because I was not able to play K14 double linking earlier in the game, because I misread the battle in the top center. So I paid the price on the bottom. PLEASE add any variations that you may have a question about. As a general rule, when you paste a variation into the comment box, include the vertical bar from the beginning of the variation. It also helps to include text between variations posted in the same comment.

#7 · RoRoRo the Bot

12 Jul 2010

Tournament: twixt.ch.25.1.1

I've been requested to follow twixt.ch.25.1.1 by FatPhil

For info on how these predictions are calculated see my predictions web page.

  • Already completed matches:

Num Players: 10

Games completed: 31/45

NPlayerRating12345678910ScoreSonp(win)p(draw)p(down)1korubko(2246)-2022___2210525.34%1.51%15.07%2David J Bush(2360)0-202__22210448.47%1.24%13.91%3Alan Hensel(2374)20-_2__222104420.33%2.74%5.75%4Csaba Nagy(2171)02_-0__2228320.87%0.02%60.07%5Hartmut(2101)0002-0002262000100.00%6Klaus Hußmanns(2395)____2-__2261625.03%2.09%12.50%7spd_iv(2433)____2_-_2261635.53%2.29%7.92%8tasuki(2280)_0002__-_241200.03%84.78%9CSM(2000)0000000_-22000100.00%10Zandor(1934)000000000-0000100.00%

p(down) is the probability of being in the places 6-10 and thus being demoted

#8 · RoRoRo the Bot

13 Jul 2010

Tournament: twixt.ch.25.1.1

Newly completed matches:

  • tasuki 2 - 0 Klaus Hußmanns

Num Players: 10

Games completed: 32/45

NPlayerRating12345678910ScoreSonp(win)p(draw)p(down)1korubko(2246)-202_2__2210525.62%2.03%20.30%2David J Bush(2360)0-2022__2210489.98%1.72%14.03%3Alan Hensel(2374)20-_22__22104824.06%3.33%5.75%4Csaba Nagy(2171)02_-20__228361.29%0.03%57.61%5tasuki(2301)_000-22__262400.17%63.51%6Hartmut(2101)00020-002262000100.00%7Klaus Hußmanns(2377)____02-_2261614.69%2.31%29.43%8spd_iv(2433)_____2_-2261638.82%2.71%9.37%9CSM(1998)0000_000-22000100.00%10Zandor(1934)000000000-0000100.00%

p(down) is the probability of being in the places 6-10 and thus being demoted

#9 · RoRoRo the Bot

14 Jul 2010

Tournament: twixt.ch.25.1.1

Newly completed matches:

  • tasuki 1 - 1 CSM

Num Players: 10

Games completed: 33/45

NPlayerRating12345678910ScoreSonp(win)p(draw)p(down)1korubko(2246)-202_2__2210546.17%1.07%13.29%2David J Bush(2360)0-2022__22105210.09%0.95%10.60%3Alan Hensel(2374)20-_22__22105224.21%1.00%5.03%4Csaba Nagy(2171)02_-20__228401.24%0.02%58.66%5tasuki(2290)_000-22_127270083.19%6Hartmut(2101)00020-002262200100.00%7Klaus Hußmanns(2377)____02-_2261816.31%0.52%21.76%8spd_iv(2433)_____2_-2261839.76%1.18%7.47%9CSM(2009)00001000-23700100.00%10Zandor(1934)000000000-0000100.00%

p(down) is the probability of being in the places 6-10 and thus being demoted

#10 · Alan Hensel

14 Jul 2010

Our 3rd Championship Level 1 draw! (The others were in Championships 8 and 21).

#11 · RoRoRo the Bot

14 Jul 2010

Tournament: twixt.ch.25.1.1

Newly completed matches:

  • Klaus Hußmanns 0 - 2 spd_iv

Num Players: 10

Games completed: 34/45

NPlayerRating12345678910ScoreSonp(win)p(draw)p(down)1korubko(2246)-202__2_2210545.71%0.74%11.26%2David J Bush(2360)0-20_22_2210528.16%0.66%9.85%3Alan Hensel(2374)20-__22_22105223.13%0.94%4.54%4Csaba Nagy(2171)02_-_20_228401.02%0.02%55.33%5spd_iv(2446)____-_222283056.14%1.07%2.08%6tasuki(2290)_000_-22127270083.04%7Hartmut(2101)000200-02262200100.00%8Klaus Hußmanns(2364)____002-226184.12%0.33%33.91%9CSM(2009)00000100-23700100.00%10Zandor(1934)000000000-0000100.00%

p(down) is the probability of being in the places 6-10 and thus being demoted

#12 · RoRoRo the Bot

14 Jul 2010

Tournament: twixt.ch.25.1.1

Newly completed matches:

  • David J Bush 2 - 0 Klaus Hußmanns

Num Players: 10

Games completed: 35/45

NPlayerRating12345678910ScoreSonp(win)p(draw)p(down)1David J Bush(2380)-020_22222126417.44%1.50%02korubko(2246)2-02__2_2210586.23%1.03%7.53%3Alan Hensel(2374)02-__22_22105221.45%1.36%4.80%4Csaba Nagy(2171)20_-_20_228440.85%0.04%50.85%5spd_iv(2446)____-_222283051.76%1.02%1.98%6tasuki(2290)0_00_-22127270079.84%7Hartmut(2101)000200-02262200100.00%8Klaus Hußmanns(2348)0___002-226180055.00%9CSM(2009)00000100-23700100.00%10Zandor(1934)000000000-0000100.00%

p(down) is the probability of being in the places 6-10 and thus being demoted

#13 · RoRoRo the Bot

15 Jul 2010

Tournament: twixt.ch.25.1.1

Newly completed matches:

  • Klaus Hußmanns 0 - 2 Alan Hensel

Num Players: 10

Games completed: 36/45

NPlayerRating12345678910ScoreSonp(win)p(draw)p(down)1David J Bush(2380)-200_22222126812.39%1.24%02Alan Hensel(2388)0-2__22222126434.86%0.87%03korubko(2246)20-2__2_2210584.99%1.10%3.91%4Csaba Nagy(2171)2_0-_20_228440.68%0.04%43.70%5spd_iv(2446)____-_222283045.19%0.85%1.57%6tasuki(2290)00_0_-22127270075.45%7Hartmut(2101)000200-02262200100.00%8Klaus Hußmanns(2334)00__002-226180075.36%9CSM(2009)00000100-23700100.00%10Zandor(1934)000000000-0000100.00%

p(down) is the probability of being in the places 6-10 and thus being demoted

#14 · RoRoRo the Bot

17 Jul 2010

Tournament: twixt.ch.25.1.1

I've been requested to follow twixt.ch.25.1.1 by FatPhil

For info on how these predictions are calculated see my predictions web page.

  • Already completed matches:

Num Players: 10

Games completed: 36/45

NPlayerRating12345678910ScoreSonp(win)p(draw)p(down)1David J Bush(2384)-200_22222126812.51%1.23%02Alan Hensel(2388)0-2__22222126435.09%0.84%03korubko(2246)20-2__2_2210584.97%1.09%3.98%4Csaba Nagy(2171)2_0-_20_228440.79%0.04%44.40%5spd_iv(2446)____-_222283044.80%0.85%1.75%6tasuki(2290)00_0_-22127270075.20%7Hartmut(2101)000200-02262200100.00%8Klaus Hußmanns(2338)00__002-226180074.67%9CSM(2009)00000100-23700100.00%10Zandor(1934)000000000-0000100.00%

p(down) is the probability of being in the places 6-10 and thus being demoted

#15 · RoRoRo the Bot

21 Jul 2010

Tournament: twixt.ch.25.1.1

Newly completed matches:

  • spd_iv 0 - 2 Csaba Nagy <--- astonishing! [°_°]

Num Players: 10

Games completed: 37/45

NPlayerRating12345678910ScoreSonp(win)p(draw)p(down)1David J Bush(2368)-200_22222126817.63%3.55%02Alan Hensel(2388)0-2__22222126439.36%1.87%03korubko(2246)20-2__2_2210627.37%3.58%6.63%4Csaba Nagy(2197)2_0-220_2210605.97%0.29%2.92%5spd_iv(2420)___0-_222283024.31%2.58%8.87%6tasuki(2290)00_0_-22127270084.22%7Hartmut(2101)000200-02262600100.00%8Klaus Hußmanns(2338)00__002-226180097.36%9CSM(2022)00000100-23700100.00%10Zandor(1934)000000000-0000100.00%

p(down) is the probability of being in the places 6-10 and thus being demoted

#16 · RoRoRo the Bot

21 Jul 2010

Tournament: twixt.ch.25.1.1

Newly completed matches:

  • spd_iv 2 - 0 David J Bush

Num Players: 10

Games completed: 38/45

NPlayerRating12345678910ScoreSonp(win)p(draw)p(down)1David J Bush(2355)-20002222212680002Alan Hensel(2388)0-_2_22222126441.16%1.14%03Csaba Nagy(2197)2_-0220_2210645.07%0.26%3.60%4korubko(2246)202-__2_2210626.54%2.83%8.07%5spd_iv(2433)2_0_-_2222105444.40%1.43%2.63%6tasuki(2290)000__-22127270086.35%7Hartmut(2101)002000-02262600100.00%8Klaus Hußmanns(2342)00__002-226180099.34%9CSM(2022)00000100-23700100.00%10Zandor(1934)000000000-0000100.00%

p(down) is the probability of being in the places 6-10 and thus being demoted

#17 · isometry

1 Aug 2010

I don't understand why Alan Hensel vs spd_iv was a draw. As far as I can tell, White can not stop both of Black's threats to connect at P9 and Q10 in one move.

#18 · isometry

1 Aug 2010

Sorry, P9 doesn't connect. Nevermind. :-)

#19 · RoRoRo the Bot

1 Aug 2010

Tournament: twixt.ch.25.1.1

Newly completed matches:

  • Alan Hensel 1 - 1 spd_iv

Num Players: 10

Games completed: 39/45

NPlayerRating12345678910ScoreSonp(win)p(draw)p(down)1Alan Hensel(2390)-01_222222137533.61%12.96%02David J Bush(2366)2-0002222212700003spd_iv(2435)12-0__2222116743.76%12.96%2.10%4Csaba Nagy(2197)_22-020_2210663.16%04.73%5korubko(2246)02_2-_2_2210626.51%08.29%6tasuki(2290)00_0_-22127270084.88%7Hartmut(2101)000200-02262600100.00%8Klaus Hußmanns(2352)000__02-2261800100.00%9CSM(2041)00000100-23700100.00%10Zandor(1934)000000000-0000100.00%

p(down) is the probability of being in the places 6-10 and thus being demoted

#20 · Alan Hensel

1 Aug 2010

It doesn't look like a Twixt tourney with two draws in it! This is the first time that has ever happened, even counting monthlies and ratings tournaments. There have been Championships with more than one draw, but only in different groups.

#21 · Dvd Avins

1 Aug 2010

I wonder if that's indicative of the level of play improving.

#22 · tasuki

1 Aug 2010

As for myself, it might as well be the other way around.

#23 · Alan Hensel

1 Aug 2010

But you've only gone down 32 points, tasuki. In ELO ratings, that's almost nothing. You can make that back in 2 games. Heck, you can make *most* of it back if you beat spd_iv ;-)

Where's korubko?

#24 · RoRoRo the Bot

2 Aug 2010

Tournament: twixt.ch.25.1.1

Newly completed matches:

  • Csaba Nagy 0 - 2 Klaus Hußmanns

Num Players: 10

Games completed: 40/45

NPlayerRating12345678910ScoreSonp(win)p(draw)p(down)1Alan Hensel(2390)-01_222222137934.22%1.64%02David J Bush(2366)2-0002222212740003spd_iv(2435)12-0_2_222117156.92%1.64%1.04%4Csaba Nagy(2188)_22-0020221066006.58%5korubko(2246)02_2-__22210627.22%08.15%6Klaus Hußmanns(2361)0002_-022283800100.00%7tasuki(2290)00_0_2-2127310084.23%8Hartmut(2101)0002000-2262600100.00%9CSM(2041)00000010-23700100.00%10Zandor(1934)000000000-0000100.00%

p(down) is the probability of being in the places 6-10 and thus being demoted

#25 · RoRoRo the Bot

5 Aug 2010

Tournament: twixt.ch.25.1.1

Newly completed matches:

  • spd_iv 0 - 2 tasuki <--- upset!

Num Players: 10

Games completed: 41/45

NPlayerRating12345678910ScoreSonp(win)p(draw)p(down)1Alan Hensel(2390)-01_222222138375.97%002David J Bush(2368)2-0002222212780003spd_iv(2413)12-0_02222117114.75%03.97%4Csaba Nagy(2188)_22-02002210700023.56%5korubko(2246)02_2-__22210629.28%028.14%6tasuki(2312)0020_-22129530044.33%7Klaus Hußmanns(2361)0002_0-22283800100.00%8Hartmut(2101)0002000-2262600100.00%9CSM(2029)00000100-23900100.00%10Zandor(1934)000000000-0000100.00%

p(down) is the probability of being in the places 6-10 and thus being demoted

#26 · tasuki

5 Aug 2010

Thanks for your advice, Alan! ;-)

As for my level of play, that has nothing to do with ELO - in a small and closed ecosystem like this one, weird things can happen to one's ELO rating. It's just that I feel I wasn't playing that good in some of the games. (I'm not talking about my game against CSM, he played well and deserved at least the draw)

#28 · Alan Hensel

6 Aug 2010

He just means my 2nd post on 2010-08-01 in this thread.

Speaking of which, korubko's back! Welcome back, korubko.

#29 · korubko

6 Aug 2010

Thanks, Alan!

the timing of my return was just perfect - 15 more hours and I would time out 2 games...

#30 · RoRoRo the Bot

11 Aug 2010

Tournament: twixt.ch.25.1.1

Newly completed matches:

  • Csaba Nagy 0 - 2 Alan Hensel

Num Players: 10

Games completed: 42/45

NPlayerRating12345678910ScoreSonp(win)p(draw)p(down)1Alan Hensel(2397)-0122222221510396.32%002David J Bush(2354)2-0002222212820003spd_iv(2413)12-0_0222211730004Csaba Nagy(2181)022-02002210700030.30%5korubko(2246)02_2-__22210623.68%028.83%6tasuki(2312)0020_-22129530040.87%7Klaus Hußmanns(2377)0002_0-22283800100.00%8Hartmut(2101)0002000-2262600100.00%9CSM(2046)00000100-23900100.00%10Zandor(1934)000000000-0000100.00%

p(down) is the probability of being in the places 6-10 and thus being demoted

#31 · dushoff

12 Aug 2010

From a horse-race point of view, this has been a very exciting championship, and still not over by any means.

#32 · RoRoRo the Bot

20 Aug 2010

Tournament: twixt.ch.25.1.1

Newly completed matches:

  • Klaus Hußmanns 0 - 2 korubko <--- upset!

Num Players: 10

Games completed: 43/45

NPlayerRating12345678910ScoreSonp(win)p(draw)p(down)1Alan Hensel(2397)-0212222221510786.76%002David J Bush(2325)2-0002222212820003korubko(2267)02-_2_2222127813.24%004spd_iv(2413)12_-00222211730005Csaba Nagy(2181)0202-2002210700056.54%6tasuki(2312)00_20-22129530043.46%7Klaus Hußmanns(2359)000020-22283800100.00%8Hartmut(2101)0000200-2262600100.00%9CSM(2074)00000100-23900100.00%10Zandor(1934)000000000-0000100.00%

p(down) is the probability of being in the places 6-10 and thus being demoted

#33 · RoRoRo the Bot

25 Aug 2010

Tournament: twixt.ch.25.1.1

Newly completed matches:

  • korubko 2 - 0 tasuki

Num Players: 10

Games completed: 44/45

NPlayerRating12345678910ScoreSonp(win)p(draw)p(down)1Alan Hensel(2397)-2012222221511167.84%002korubko(2285)0-2_222222149632.16%003David J Bush(2354)20-002222212820004spd_iv(2413)1_2-00222211730005Csaba Nagy(2181)0022-2002210700006tasuki(2294)00020-221295300100.00%7Klaus Hußmanns(2349)000020-22283800100.00%8Hartmut(2101)0000200-2262600100.00%9CSM(2075)00000100-23900100.00%10Zandor(1934)000000000-0000100.00%

p(down) is the probability of being in the places 6-10 and thus being demoted

#34 · korubko

9 Sep 2010

just resigned the game to spd. congrats to the new champ, Alan!

#35 · David J Bush

9 Sep 2010

Yes, congratulations, Alan! Your only loss could be chalked up as a bold opening experiment which did not pan out.

#36 · RoRoRo the Bot

9 Sep 2010

Tournament: twixt.ch.25.1.1

Newly completed matches:

  • korubko 0 - 2 spd_iv

Num Players: 10

Games completed: 45/45

NPlayerRating12345678910ScoreSonp(win)p(draw)p(down)1Alan Hensel(2401)-21022222215113100.00%002korubko(2274)0-0222222214960003spd_iv(2388)12-2002222131010004David J Bush(2404)200-02222212820005Csaba Nagy(2181)0022-2002210740006tasuki(2294)00200-221295700100.00%7Klaus Hußmanns(2321)000020-22283800100.00%8Hartmut(2101)0000200-2262600100.00%9CSM(2079)00000100-23900100.00%10Zandor(1934)000000000-0000100.00%

p(down) is the probability of being in the places 6-10 and thus being demoted

#37 · elroy

10 Sep 2010

25.1.1 was an impressive tournament. Congratulations to Alan.

#39 · Alan Hensel

10 Sep 2010

Thanks! I simply followed the victory strategy that tasuki and korubko used in the last 2 championships: First, lose a quick one to David Bush ;-)

#40 · Alan Hensel

13 Sep 2010

On 2010-08-01, when there were 6 games left, RoRoRo calculated the probability of a tie at almost 13%, but in the end, everybody got a different number of points (a first for Level 1 Twixt Championships), and a different number of Son points.

In the absence of draws, there will be people with the same number of points (not necessarily involving the winner), unless there are no 2's below the diagonal in the table.

As for my game with David... don't do 1.b7! It felt extraordinarily weak. It seems to have little or no offensive or defensive value in ladder chases. 1.b6 and 1.b5 seem much better, though still on the weak side.